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| archels | a friend pointed me to this radio show http://podbay.fm/show/831100527 | 01:48 |
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| archels | definitely one of the more bizarre things I've heard in my life | 01:48 |
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| poppingtonic | nice show! I listened to "Listen Fear" | 02:29 |
| poppingtonic | sorry... "This Fear" | 02:29 |
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| wrldpc1 | So I started a podcast. | 04:18 |
| wrldpc1 | .site www.getbusypodcast.com | 04:19 |
| wrldpc1 | eh | 04:19 |
| wrldpc1 | .url getbusypodcast.com | 04:19 |
| wrldpc1 | god damn it, I forgot the commands. | 04:19 |
| archels | .title | 04:19 |
| yoleaux | Get Busy Podcast | 04:19 |
| archels | informative. | 04:19 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=fd365210 Bryan Bishop: some prior work on validation cost metric >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/validation-cost-metric/ | 06:52 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7f3884dc Bryan Bishop: add link to segregated witness video >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability/ | 08:08 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1b0848f8 Bryan Bishop: include link to correction about the graph >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/overview-of-bips-necessary-for-lightning/ | 08:18 |
| kanzure | "I plan to try this out sometime this week, OCCT seems to have a fair amount of trouble making an ordinary pipe tee (tangent faces). Even with some help (making the branch cylinder slightly smaller), it still has trouble." | 08:36 |
| kanzure | (on oce-dev mailing list) | 08:36 |
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| xentrac | hmm, I don't know about oce-dev | 08:43 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: https://scalingbitcoin.org/chinese-terms#terms | 08:50 |
| kanzure | xentrac: oce-dev is opencascade community edition dev mailing list. tpaviot/jelle and friends. | 08:50 |
| kanzure | xentrac: https://github.com/tpaviot/oce | 08:51 |
| xentrac | cool | 09:01 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2f29d443 Bryan Bishop: include link to other segwit explanation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability/ | 09:03 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d5cd3df2 Bryan Bishop: update links inside most hong kong talks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/zero-knowledge-proofs-for-bitcoin-scalability-and-beyond/ | 09:03 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=89371e96 Bryan Bishop: include link to bip105 in flexcap talk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/a-flexible-limit-trading-subsidy-for-larger-blocks/ | 09:09 |
| xentrac | (and here I am doing parametric laser-cut design in raw PostScript like a troglodyte) | 09:10 |
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| kanzure | xentrac: opencascade has its own problems... here are my notes: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade | 09:10 |
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| xentrac | the Pname/Tname thing sounds eerily like Symbian C++ convetnions | 09:13 |
| xentrac | those are some extensive notes. they could benefit from a table of contents and overview paragraph | 09:14 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=67e6607b Bryan Bishop: simplified explanation of segregated witness by sipa >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability/ | 09:19 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d9ee34d9 Bryan Bishop: even more segwit follow-up >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability/ | 09:42 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=852dbcf4 Bryan Bishop: make LN bootstrapping comment more explicit >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/network-topologies-and-their-scalability-implications-on-decentralized-off-chain-networks/ | 09:56 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=eb76efd2 Bryan Bishop: make LN data requirements more explicit >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/overview-of-bips-necessary-for-lightning/ | 09:56 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c5521072 Bryan Bishop: include libsnark.org link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/zero-knowledge-proofs-for-bitcoin-scalability-and-beyond/ | 09:56 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=74086403 Bryan Bishop: include link to flexcap source code >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/a-flexible-limit-trading-subsidy-for-larger-blocks/ | 10:15 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8e744f21 Bryan Bishop: add link about transaction fee estimation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/a-bevy-of-block-size-proposals-bip100-bip102-and-more/ | 10:49 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=a153a09e Bryan Bishop: segwit link for lightning talk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/overview-of-bips-necessary-for-lightning/ | 11:06 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=8dd474d0 Bryan Bishop: include link to jgarzik video >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/a-bevy-of-block-size-proposals-bip100-bip102-and-more/ | 11:19 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if there is a genetic basis to adult onset temporal acceleration, and whether that could be fixed. | 11:40 |
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| docl | http://server-sky.com/Orycon2015 | 11:53 |
| eudoxia | "50 AU Stapledon Dyson Shell made of Kuiper Belt Ice" now that's how you get my attention | 11:56 |
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| eudoxia | nice http://slides.server-sky.com/StadyOr2015/stadysupernova_D_intro.html | 12:06 |
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| eudoxia | now, this is a bit hopeful http://slides.server-sky.com/StadyOr2015/StadyFind_D_Observables.html | 12:09 |
| eudoxia | there are, what, 600-800 stars in 32ly radius? | 12:09 |
| eudoxia | 10 of them can't possibly be dyson spheres | 12:10 |
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| xentrac | because we would have noticed already? | 12:35 |
| eudoxia | not necessarily | 12:36 |
| eudoxia | just because it's too high a number | 12:36 |
| xentrac | presumably soon all 600–800 of them will have dyson spheres | 12:36 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=3f26a39a fivepiece: Change Meni's surname from Rosenbaum to Rosenfeld >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/a-bevy-of-block-size-proposals-bip100-bip102-and-more/ | 12:41 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=514cfba2 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #3 from fivepiece/master >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/ | 12:41 |
| docl | I'm doubtful that there are any dyson spheres in our past light cone so far. Otherwise we'd have been eaten already. | 12:41 |
| kanzure | dyson spheres aren't about eating everything in the universe | 12:41 |
| kanzure | docl: you might be interested in this one, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/physics/astrophysics/Starivore%20extraterrestrials%20-%20Interacting%20binary%20stars%20as%20macroscopic%20metabolic%20systems%20-%20Clement%20Vidal.pdf | 12:42 |
| kanzure | xentrac: you might also be interested in that one | 12:42 |
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| eudoxia | it might turn out that for most posthumans, once you've dyson-sphered a star, you have the means but not really the desire to leave the system | 12:43 |
| kanzure | what happened to just computing in neutron dust on the edge of a black hole or whatever. | 12:43 |
| kanzure | also, whatever happened to the guy in here that wanted to convert everything in the visible universe into computronium? do we still have him? | 12:44 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | I can't remember. I might have discussed that idea. | 12:44 |
| kanzure | that was you? huh. | 12:44 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | It's an idea | 12:44 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | I assume I'm not smart enough to decide whether or not it's a -good- idea | 12:45 |
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| eudoxia | you gotta hurry up, every second we waste the local cluster gets further and further from everything else | 12:47 |
| kanzure | yeah, the light sphere is dissipating at a rate of a few million cubic lightyears per second or something | 12:48 |
| xentrac | eudoxia: maybe that's possible through a sort of Fermi paradox | 12:54 |
| eudoxia | xentrac: well, one of the solutions to the fermi paradox is the "everyone gets really into VR" scenario | 12:55 |
| xentrac | that seems like a vanishingly unlikely solution | 12:55 |
| eudoxia | or, a different statement: the species that produce technological civilizations are gregarious | 12:55 |
| kanzure | the alternative civilizations could be looking right at us, hidden in background star field, fucking up our understanding of astrophysics | 12:56 |
| xentrac | if you have a trillion technological civilizations and only one out of a billion is expansionist, that's still a thousand civilizations that reach Kardashev Type 2, or compete with another one to do so | 12:56 |
| kanzure | (someone refuted this point a while back on hacker news, but i don't remember if the refutation was good) | 12:56 |
| kanzure | ah, here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10252222 | 12:57 |
| xentrac | I could believe that only one out of a hundred or only one out of a thousand civilizations avoid "everyone gets really into VR" | 12:57 |
| xentrac | but zero? | 12:57 |
| xentrac | that's only plausible if the total number of civilizations is close to one | 12:58 |
| eudoxia | well, consider that all of them develop WBE and move on to live in computers | 12:58 |
| kanzure | have you read "xenology"? http://www.xenology.info/Xeno.htm | 12:58 |
| eudoxia | then computers get up to the theoretical limit, and a 10-year trip on a relativistic rocket becomes a 10000 year epic of sitting, alone, on a very limited computer | 12:58 |
| eudoxia | i have not (i should get around to reading AASM) | 12:59 |
| xentrac | I haven't, although of course I've been influenced by Freitas's ideas :) | 12:59 |
| xentrac | sure, if you have a persistent personal identity then you have to choose between hanging out in your happy dyson sphere and riding the rocket | 13:00 |
| xentrac | but you don't, so you can do both | 13:00 |
| xentrac | if you have the tech | 13:01 |
| kanzure | two-phase commit is better identity met-- hm. actually i have no idea. i sort of reject the notion that there is localized consensus in human brain matter. | 13:01 |
| TMA | the selection pressure in organisms is mostly interspecies competition for resources; unless there is advantage in interstellar travel they might be just busy infighting | 13:04 |
| xentrac | well, the advantage in interstellar travel is that the resources you reach aren't being competed for yet | 13:07 |
| xentrac | nmz787_: you decided BRL-CAD is more useful than FreeCAD? | 13:07 |
| TMA | xentrac: the disadvantages are that for any time you leave the resources would be occupied by others leaving later on a faster ship by the time you get there | 13:08 |
| xentrac | I guess that's sort of a dumb question in that BRL-CAD has been in production use for decades and so it is clearly useful for some things | 13:08 |
| kanzure | freecad is okay as long as you save every few minutes because opencascade crashyness.... | 13:08 |
| xentrac | TMA: that's possible, but if one or more group gets there, then one of them got there first | 13:09 |
| kanzure | and as long as you don't mind the long-term non-maintainability of freecad (due to opencascade) (not saying juergen's work is bad or anything; he just has poor tools to work from.) | 13:09 |
| TMA | xentrac: the point is there is a strong deflationary pressure -- at every time T it is better to wait for a little while more | 13:11 |
| xentrac | yes, and by that logic buying a computer any time from 1965 to 2015 was a terrible idea | 13:12 |
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| xentrac | (although of course it doesn't inherently have the competition aspect to it) | 13:12 |
| TMA | and the other difference is that our lifespan is still not indefinite | 13:13 |
| TMA | so there are other incentives to put off putting off | 13:14 |
| xentrac | I don't think a race of immortals considering buying computers from 1965 to 2015 would have been well-served to wait the 50 years until Moore's Law ended either | 13:14 |
| xentrac | even if they were competing to crack a Bitcoin key first or something | 13:14 |
| kanzure | amusing to think best use of computing resources, to crack a private key, is actually not grinding immediately in 1965, but rather reserving time for cpu design simulation stuff and analysis and study | 13:16 |
| kanzure | xentrac: btw you might be interested in extensive testing used during development of libsecp256k1 http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2015-11-09-mining-and-block-size-etc/ | 13:18 |
| TMA | and there is the second option to staying home -- to be forever on the move at relativistic speeds, never actually stopping anywhere | 13:19 |
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| xentrac | kanzure: yes, buying in 1965 is probably also not the optimal strategy :) | 13:23 |
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| xentrac | yeah, clearly the strategy that brings the largest amount of energy under your control is to expand your sphere of influence as close to lightspeed as you can make it | 13:23 |
| xentrac | sustainably | 13:24 |
| drethelin | why would you want the largest amount of energy | 13:24 |
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| drethelin | what for | 13:24 |
| docl | Well, we don't know how to make very good computronium yet. The resource level needed to crack machine-phase nanotech is probably substantial. So we should focus on clanking replicators for now. | 13:24 |
| kanzure | proteins are nanotech | 13:25 |
| docl | Yes they are, but they aren't machine phase. They are twisty polymers in a solution of warm water. | 13:26 |
| docl | Very chaotic and non design friendly. | 13:26 |
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| eudoxia | unless someone makes an artificial ribosome that can crank out fullerene or diamond, i don't think proteins will be an enabler to MNT/DMS | 13:27 |
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| xentrac | drethelin: everything good costs energy | 13:40 |
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| kanzure | there are far more proteins outside of water than-- well, nevermind. the ocean is pretty huge. | 13:42 |
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| nmz787_i | xentrac: I thought BRL-CAD was the only tool up to the job, with as you said all its years of production use... I am working on MEMS so the dynamic range and math errors (or lack thereof) were of great importance to me in my selection process | 14:03 |
| nmz787_i | eudoxia: what is MNT/DMS? | 14:09 |
| nmz787_i | .wik MNT | 14:09 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: MNT" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MNT | 14:09 |
| nmz787_i | .wik DMS | 14:09 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: DMS" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMS | 14:09 |
| eudoxia | .wik Molecular Nanotechnology | 14:10 |
| yoleaux | "Molecular nanotechnology (MNT) is a technology based on the ability to build structures to complex, atomic specifications by means of mechanosynthesis. This is distinct from nanoscale materials." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_Nanotechnology | 14:10 |
| eudoxia | .wik Diamond Mechanosynthesis | 14:10 |
| yoleaux | "Mechanosynthesis is a term for hypothetical chemical syntheses in which reaction outcomes are determined by the use of mechanical constraints to direct reactive molecules to specific molecular sites. There are presently no chemical syntheses which achieve this aim. Some atomic placement has been achieved with scanning tunnelling microscopes." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanosynthesis | 14:10 |
| nmz787_i | ah, ok | 14:10 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: see https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer | 14:10 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: no new commits in a while | 14:11 |
| docl | "There are presently no chemical syntheses which achieve this aim." Sounds like something David Gerard would say. Is it true? | 14:13 |
| kanzure | yea a lot of cleanup requirement | 14:13 |
| kanzure | refactoring etc | 14:13 |
| eudoxia | "no chemical syntheses" is a weird of phrasing it | 14:13 |
| nmz787_i | anyone in here gonna try the latest room temp diamond synthesis? | 14:13 |
| eudoxia | i mean, it has been demonstrated in the lab | 14:13 |
| nmz787_i | I think the main thing needed was a pulsed laser | 14:13 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: have you thought about replacing the chroot thing with a Dockerfile | 14:14 |
| kanzure | nope haven't thought about that. i wouldn't mind including some dockerfile instructions. also, the lazy way is to put a chroot into a docker container..... | 14:15 |
| kanzure | gmaxwell comments on bitcoin scalability proposals http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011865.html | 14:16 |
| nmz787_i | bitcoin isn't scalable as-is? | 14:17 |
| kanzure | it's bandwidth-constrained | 14:17 |
| kanzure | every node has to validate every transaction | 14:17 |
| kanzure | if node has limited bandwidth, and network goes beyond that, then node gets kicked off and oops can't use bitcoin | 14:17 |
| docl | eudoxia: How has it been demonstrated in the lab? In-silico and AFM only, or is there another type of mechanosynthesis? Should CVD of graphene and that sort of thing count? | 14:34 |
| eudoxia | let me dig it up | 14:35 |
| eudoxia | Oyabu et al. http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.90.176102 | 14:35 |
| eudoxia | that was AFM and in silico, yeah | 14:35 |
| eudoxia | CVD doesn't count since it relies on the probabilistic behaviour of gas rather than direct mechanical force | 14:36 |
| eudoxia | patterned atomic layer epitaxy, which is what Zyvex is working on, is atomically precise and works on silicon but isn't mechanosynthesis | 14:36 |
| nmz787_i | so I thought in-silico referred to a computational environment where testing/experimentation had taken place... but here it seems you two are referrring to it happening 'with silicon' | 14:44 |
| docl | nmz787_i: I meant "in computation" | 14:46 |
| eudoxia | oh, my mistake, yeah | 14:46 |
| eudoxia | i forgot 'in silico' meant 'in a simulation' | 14:47 |
| eudoxia | Oyabu et al. was an AFM on a silicon surface | 14:47 |
| docl | :) | 14:48 |
| eudoxia | it would be nice to have proof on a diamond surface | 14:51 |
| eudoxia | not necessarily of any of the reactions on the minimal toolset, just smash a silicon tip and see what happens | 14:51 |
| nmz787_i | eudoxia: well to be honest, now I'm wondering if that's correct | 14:51 |
| eudoxia | nmz787_: what part | 14:52 |
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| kanzure | i wrote a thing in reply to 011865 http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011866.html | 14:58 |
| nmz787_i | eudoxia: is in-silico supposed to mean 'interacting with silicon' or does it mean 'in computation' | 14:59 |
| eudoxia | in computation | 14:59 |
| eudoxia | .wik In silico | 14:59 |
| yoleaux | "In silico (literally Latin for "in silicon", alluding to the mass use of silicon for semiconductor computer chips) is an expression used to mean "performed on computer or via computer simulation." The phrase was coined in 1989 as an allusion to the Latin phrases in vivo, in vitro, and in situ, which are commonly used in biology (see also …" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_silico | 14:59 |
| eudoxia | .botsnack | 14:59 |
| yoleaux | :D | 14:59 |
| nmz787_i | what happens when CPUs stop being silicon | 14:59 |
| eudoxia | a moment | 15:00 |
| kanzure | they will always include a single atom of silicon so that our previous terminology will hold | 15:00 |
| eudoxia | .tr English Latin diamond | 15:00 |
| yoleaux | English Latin diamond (en → en) | 15:00 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: makes sense | 15:00 |
| eudoxia | .tr :en :la diamond | 15:00 |
| yoleaux | adamas (en → la) | 15:00 |
| eudoxia | 'in adamas' there you go | 15:00 |
| nmz787_i | .tr English Latin computation | 15:00 |
| yoleaux | English Latin computation (en → en) | 15:00 |
| eudoxia | .tr :en :la computer | 15:01 |
| yoleaux | computatrum (en → la) | 15:01 |
| eudoxia | .tr :en :la to calculate | 15:01 |
| yoleaux | computare (en → la) | 15:01 |
| eudoxia | hmmm | 15:01 |
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| docl | Patterned layer apataxy looks pretty cool though. http://www.zyvexlabs.com/Research/files/Owen_JVSTB_2011.pdf | 15:03 |
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| kanzure | these guys claim to be a low-price diybio-friendly reagent vendor http://www.aasinc.co/ | 15:06 |
| eudoxia | went to see what Zyvex was up to and saw this video from this year http://www.jove.com/video/52900/atomically-traceable-nanostructure-fabrication | 15:08 |
| eudoxia | well, not all of it because paywalls and sci-hub didn't help | 15:08 |
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| TMA | eudoxia: in adamanto. | 15:09 |
| eudoxia | that's better | 15:09 |
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| TMA | it is a greek word originally, so the declension is somewhat peculiar | 15:11 |
| TMA | ;) | 15:12 |
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| nmz787_i | .tr latin english adamanto | 16:25 |
| yoleaux | latin english adamanto (en → en) | 16:25 |
| nmz787_i | .tr latin : english adamanto | 16:25 |
| nmz787_i | .tr: latin:english adamanto | 16:26 |
| docl | It is now possible to 3d-print fiberoptic preforms. http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/08/06/first-3d-printed-fiber-optics-created-by-university-of-sydney-researchers-with-desktop-3d-printer/ | 16:27 |
| nmz787_i | TMA: translate says 'adamanto' in greek means 'sparkler', and in latin means 'steel' | 16:27 |
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| docl | I wonder if it will ever be possible to print fiber optics directly without need of a drawing tower? | 16:41 |
| nmz787_i | docl: that article is confusing | 16:42 |
| nmz787_i | so they print some tubular structure, then melt that and pull it? | 16:42 |
| nmz787_i | and what they pull is the fiber? | 16:43 |
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| nmz787_i | that seems like it could still be error prone, like if the printed thing had a bubble, the bubble would just get drawn out too | 16:43 |
| docl | Yeah, they are basically just making a big fat version of the fiber optic that gets stretched to make the real thing. | 16:44 |
| nmz787_i | oh, hmm, that doesn't seem that interesting | 16:45 |
| nmz787_i | or rather, less impressive | 16:45 |
| docl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1DRrAhQJtM | 16:45 |
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| docl | The standard way is to use a big fat tube. This seems like a big advance (but less than printing them directly would be). | 16:48 |
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| docl | Hypothetically, seems like you could use a system that melts layers of purified glass powder onto a block, with ion implanters that pass over and create doped regions. | 16:50 |
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| nmz787_i | doping for refractive index adjustment? | 16:51 |
| docl | yeah | 16:53 |
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| docl | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Danielravennest/papers/Mars21 | 17:50 |
| kanzure | some sort of debate between aubrey de grey and some other people about regenerative anti-aging magic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVnn2bcFcnU | 17:56 |
| kanzure | while i was watching this (jumping around a bit) i noticed at 11min 30sec there seems to be someone familiar in the audience (anders sandberg??) | 17:57 |
| kanzure | fourfire confirms that this is anders, and plus this seemed to have taken place at oxford, so seems likely to be anders.... as random as it may be. | 17:57 |
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| kanzure | well, i suppose it's not impossible to believe that anders would choose to attend this sort of event | 17:59 |
| kanzure | if this was another sort of debate, then perhaps incredulity about anders sandberg showing up would be more appropriate | 17:59 |
| kanzure | but anti-aging, aubrey (a good friend of his), plus oxford, i suppose that's enough to expect to see anders in the audience at least once. | 17:59 |
| docl | The people who actually do stuff and have interesting opinions in H+ circles are a much smaller set than one would think. | 18:00 |
| FourFire | archels? | 18:01 |
| FourFire | no idea | 18:01 |
| FourFire | where does Archels live? | 18:02 |
| kanzure | docl: yes but that's not enough to expect to see anders in random pans over a large non-transhumanist audience | 18:02 |
| docl | Yeah, the oxford connection is needed as well. | 18:03 |
| kanzure | oh right, doesn't aubrey "live" near there too? when he's not traveling. is that right? i dunno. | 18:05 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, AI-Box, at all useful, or masturbatory sociopath/nerd-sniping ? | 18:49 |
| kanzure | i haven't found a use for that stuff | 18:51 |
| kanzure | i have never claimed that i have security that can tolerate threat models that include "magic silver bullets that are infinitely persuasive", so it's not much of a concern to me. | 18:52 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=e45de142 Bryan Bishop: add links to videos >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/hong-kong/why-miners-will-not-voluntarily-individually-produce-smaller-blocks/ | 19:39 |
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| FourFire | am I ranting hard enough in that other channel? | 20:13 |
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| kanzure | FourFire: i think you should spend more time looking at what works for other people vs what isn't working. pick good role models. | 20:22 |
| FourFire | my workoholic boss and that amazingly productive guy who said he wished he was a layabout comic-book artist, and the dooers at the hackerspace are sort of my rolemodels, likewise you to some extent (which is why I query you from time to time) | 20:23 |
| FourFire | whenever I meet a LWer who has their shit together or someone else in the same status class, i ask them things | 20:24 |
| FourFire | Yes I can do better, but words are cheap, I should prove it to you. | 20:25 |
| kanzure | you should uh.. consider the social circle you are drawing from. | 20:25 |
| kanzure | er, expanding the circle | 20:25 |
| kanzure | *consider expanding | 20:25 |
| kanzure | hackerspaces are okay but you are sort of limited to whatever randoms happened to show up locally.... which may or may not be useful for understanding how other people make things work out for themselves. | 20:26 |
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| fenn | "Never stand directly beneath an alien craft hovering at low altitude. Never touch a landed craft." got it. | 22:08 |
| drethelin | hah | 22:08 |
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