2015-12-13.log

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rhaps0dydo not call up that which you cannot put down05:48
rhaps0dyspooooky05:48
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maakuAdrianG: you do realize that kanzure holds a C-level position at a bitcoin company?06:15
maakuanyway he's referring to the fact that within days (hours?) of satoshi announcing the first release of bitcoin, he hated on it here in ##hplusroadmap06:15
maakuwhich, I think, was the first reaction most of us had, including kanzure and gmaxwell06:16
maakubitcoin's awesomeness is not obvious06:16
rhaps0dywait, if kanzure is an executive at bitcoin company, why does kanzure hate bitcoin?06:17
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kanzuregosh you guys are really bad at reading06:28
kanzureit has been many thousands of hours since bitcoin was released06:28
kanzurethis is often enough time for many people's opinions to change about things06:29
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kanzure"Subsecond dopamine fluctuations in human striatum encode superposed error signals about actual and counterfactual reward" http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/11/18/1513619112.abstract06:33
kanzurepopularization http://research.vtc.vt.edu/news/2015/dec/01/virginia-tech-carilion-research-institute-scientis/06:33
kanzure"using drones to train falcons" http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/12/hobbyists_are_using_drones_to_train_falcons.html06:33
kanzurecc jrayhawk06:33
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rhaps0dy"enough time for many people's opinions to change" alright, fair enough. And you likely have other reasons to stay in the company.06:48
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maakuwow reading is hard07:00
maakurhaps0dy: the first time I heard about bitcoin it was the stupedist thing i'd ever heard of07:02
maakutwo years later I quit my job to work on bitcoin full-time, and co-founded a bitcoin technology company07:02
kanzurerhaps0dy: discovering that i was the first hater of bitcoin is not enough to convince me to leave a bitcoin company.07:02
maakuwhat bitcoin appears to be at first blush is not it's core value. it looks like expensive, environmentally unfriendly nerd money. it is actually radically socially transoformative democratizing technology07:04
kanzuremy january 10th 2009 criticism was "yet another p2p currency piece of crap"07:05
maakui think actually a lot of the PR problems we face with bitcoin core stem from this fact07:05
kanzurelittle did i know how often i would be using that exact phrase in the future to describe bitcoin-derived noise :P07:06
maakupeople with long term experience with bitcoin tend to converge towards this socially transformative vision, whereas those new to the tech (and a few oddball oldtimers) focus on short-term utility that is at odds with the long-term vision07:06
kanzuredemocratic is not as strong or useful of a word as you might think07:07
maakueh, it's an overused word with too many meanings07:08
maakui mean it as "returning power to the people", not that political thing with elections and assemblies of politicians07:09
maakubut it does actually support the latter in the same way as the internet and the fax machine before that... but that's not something I care too much about07:10
kanzureperhaps use "empowering"07:10
kanzurewhere is breakfast07:10
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rhaps0dyfirst time I heard about it (which was 1-2 years ago) I thought "whoah, awesome, p2p uncontrolled money!"07:11
rhaps0dybut now I'm thinking more about why would we need that, and thanks for the cryptolocker malwares.07:11
maakukanzure: noted07:11
kanzureto use cryptolocker as the reason to consider bitcoin useless is essentially the same as victim blaming07:12
rhaps0dyThey were meant as two separate concerns. Nevertheless, I didn't think about that and I agree.07:14
rhaps0dyWhy do we need an untraceable way to pay? It makes easier to conduct purchases that should better stay hidden. But which are those purchases?07:18
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maakurhaps0dy: the value of bitcoin is not the money. a decentralized token system is simply a necessary component of this class of decentralized consensus systems07:32
maakuand decentralized consensus systems are awesome for their ability to completely replace basically all forms of contract arbitration, many aspects of governance, and remove basically all intermediaries and custodians07:35
maakuin other words, something like 40% of global GDP ... gone ... and replace with math on computers, redirecting that money elsewhere, and remove the parasitic financial structure that transfers wealth from the productive to the establishment07:37
JayDuggerAnd how did you explain bitcoin to family members?07:46
rhaps0dyWell that does sound nice. Have any more detailed explanation? I really am not versed in the topic.07:46
doclDiablo-D3: A colony on Mars would be a terrible backup strategy. It would also waste money that could be better spent on self-replicating robots. However I agree on normal priorities being messed up.07:48
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kanzure"cli todo manager" https://github.com/agateau/yokadi but the syntax is really weird (who wants to type "_" all the time?)09:17
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xentracdocl: what do you think about subterranean cities as a backup strategy?  with enhanced geothermal recovery, the energy is available for the first time09:21
xentracI mean your subterranean city tied to a bunch of closed-circuit enhanced geothermal steam engines is still going to be vulnerable to a lot of instant mass death scenarios, but they won't be the same ones as the people on the surface.09:22
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bjonnhI still don't believe in bitcoin09:39
bjonnhgot traded like any other thing in the world. As soon as most of it will be used as a traded currency, it will  be even worse than these currencies, because only the traders will get access to it09:40
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kanzure"believe in bitcoin" what does that mean09:47
chris_99it's a figment of your imagination09:47
kanzurei would hope so by now09:47
xentracI don't believe in a dollar09:49
kanzurei would hope not, i think you should do that in your head not in a dollar09:50
kanzurewait, what's going on?09:50
xentracheh09:50
kanzurexentrac: not sure about subterranean. why not under the surface of the ocean?09:52
xentracyou mean, like, on the sea floor?09:53
kanzureno! much higher.09:53
kanzurewell, i mean... wrong direction.09:53
xentracwhere do you get your energy from then?09:53
kanzuresea floor i guess could be close to the surface, depending on depth09:54
xentracfusion reactors? that seems like a pretty big technical obstacle09:54
kanzureenergy would be solar or from solar-powered satellite. or wind or geothermal if you have vents on the floor nearby.09:54
xentracor are you refining uranium from seawater?09:54
kanzurethat would be nice but probably unnecessary09:55
xentracI think that if you're accessible to solar or satellite then it's not really a "backup plan"09:55
xentracyou're still tightly coupled to whatever kills all the surface people09:55
xentracor wind09:55
kanzureoops i didn't have that context.09:55
kanzurei am proposing that even in the absence of mass death of surface-dwellers09:56
xentracgeothermal from vents could work09:56
xentracbut you can do geothermal anywhere and with unlimited expansion potential using enhanced geothermal09:56
xentracunderground09:56
kanzureunderground is problematic unless you mean existing caves09:57
xentracno, not existing caves.  what's the problematic part?09:57
kanzuredigging. blowing stuff up.09:57
xentracwell yeah, it does involve a lot of digging09:58
xentracprobably if you're blowing stuff up you want to do that before you go down there09:58
kanzuresure, sure.09:58
xentracthere's also maybe the issue of where you put the chips from your later digging09:59
kanzurewyoming.09:59
xentracI'm thinking the answer is something like "close to the surface"09:59
xentracprobably it would be better to try this somewhere other than wyoming.  like somewhere that doesn't have a well-established mineral interest regime that will make it expensive10:01
kanzurehm i guess we haven't actually tried a large-scale excavation project for housing reasons10:03
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kanzurewasn't there a legend about a monk that created a canyon like that10:05
xentracnot that I know of10:06
xentracwe do have a lot of experience with large-scale excavation projects though10:06
kanzureyeah but we still haven't relocated any lakes or anything cool like that10:06
heathhttp://www.medicinalgenomics.com/kannapedia/10:09
heath"The Cannabis Phylogenetic tree has been studied for years. Only recently have we had the tools to expand the resolution of these maps 10,000 fold with the advent of Next Generation Sequencing. Kannapedia is designed to be an open source genetic registry of cannabis genetics that are registered with the Bitcoin Blockchain to drive authenticity and trusted consensus on the phylogenetic registration of Cannabis Strains."10:09
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Diablo-D3>tree10:11
xentracyeah, but a city is a lot smaller than a lake10:11
Diablo-D3so its acually a tree now?10:11
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xentracthere's an existing mine with 1500km of roads, which is comparable in size to Boston or San Francisco: http://www.mining.com/worlds-largest-underground-mine-looks-like-38052/10:14
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xentracI suspect that there are much larger underground coal mines10:16
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Diablo-D3xentrac: yeah, that stuff is entirely silly10:36
Diablo-D3coal is solar power done massively wrong10:36
bjonnhso what's going on with that https://github.com/kanzure/uncertainfuture10:44
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kanzurebjonnh: afaik nothing is going on?12:40
Diablo-D3[10:48:15] <docl> Diablo-D3: A colony on Mars would be a terrible backup strategy. It would also waste money that could be better spent on self-replicating robots. However I agree on normal priorities being messed up.12:44
Diablo-D3docl: Im talking about trying to keep the human species from dying out12:45
Diablo-D309:33:03] <kanzure> "Subsecond dopamine fluctuations in human striatum encode superposed error signals about actual and counterfactual reward" http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/11/18/1513619112.abstract12:45
Diablo-D3kanzure: does the study mention if the dopamine fluctuations are normal, or what?12:48
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doclxentrac: Subterranian works better per dollar spent than Mars I'd say (and would have more practical spillover benefits, like more research into better geothermal). You still have to have a viable cooling strategy. Water to steam tends to work well enough for this purpose, although ice to steam is better. Also, some classes of planet-killing catastrophe could still get you (asteroids that turn the crus13:47
doclt to slag, say). You would also need to protect against earthquakes somehow.13:47
doclDiablo-D3: How valuable is the human species survival, and why? Is it the things we can do? How to we budget for the specific human deaths that happen in the process? Is saving the human species without saving most humans more like 1% worse or more like 1000% worse than saving all humans?13:52
doclA backup colony on Mars wouldn't save much of a percentage of humans if a planet killer catastrophe happened, just whoever happened to live there. Worse, the colony would likely die out due to complications of living on a non-terraformed planet, unless it had substantial tech infrastructure behind it.13:55
doclThe substantial tech infrastructure capable of supporting humans off world is the important piece of the puzzle. Not the colony site. We could have dozens of colonies in very short order if we had a decent off-planet manufacturing system.13:56
doclNuclear fission is current tech. So people could move to the Oort cloud and settle there, using fissionable materials refined from asteroids and so on. Being close to the sun isn't that important for basic life processes of biological humans.13:58
doclSo I say, focus on the tech infrastructure. Mars colonies is itself hype. And given that the planet is currently barren, we should plan to disassemble it *before* people decide to make their homes there.13:59
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doclDead species and people are not necessarily irrecoverable. There might be a way to run a sort of MRI on history by computationally processing the reflected electromagnetism of our light cone. If the human species is dead with no successor, that won't happen. So a backup does make sense even for the sake of those who die in the hypothetical catastrophe.14:16
Diablo-D3[04:52:26] <docl> Diablo-D3: How valuable is the human species survival, and why? Is it the things we can do? How to we budget for the specific human deaths that happen in the process? Is saving the human species without saving most humans more like 1% worse or more like 1000% worse than saving all humans?14:16
Diablo-D3docl: depends how you define what it means to be human14:16
Diablo-D3and that always trails off into an unhelpful conversation14:16
Diablo-D3and yes, I'm supporting terraforming mars14:17
Diablo-D3Ive pretty much been sold on that ever since I read the mars trilogy as a child14:17
doclWell, if we are dead and a FAI survives with our brain scans and the desire to resurrect us, that's not such a bad situation.14:17
Diablo-D3well yeah14:18
Diablo-D3but um shit14:18
Diablo-D3Im trying to think of the name of that manga14:18
Diablo-D3hotel by boichi14:19
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kanzuresolvespace paper http://cq.cx/dl/sketchflat-internals.pdf15:42
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CautiousNarwhalyou guys love solvespace15:52
_andaresWhat's it used for typically?16:23
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CautiousNarwhalno idea... i think its used for prototyping ?16:50
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kanzureknowing about solvespace isn't a sufficient condition to claim love17:21
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CautiousNarwhal^17:25
kanzurehuh?17:26
justanotheruserhe is a troll I'm pretty sure17:35
CautiousNarwhalwho is a troll?17:36
C0RVUSwho isnt17:59
kanzurehmm andytoshi and i estimate that blowing up the planet would not be enough to kill all humans17:59
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CautiousNarwhalreally?18:01
CautiousNarwhalcause there is only one planet of humans18:01
CautiousNarwhalnot like we have a spare18:02
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andaresYet18:04
eudoxiakanzure: are you counting cryopatients as being 'alive', then i can see it18:05
CautiousNarwhaleven with cryopatients because who will revive them?18:06
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xentracdocl: by "viable cooling strategy" do you mean to sink the heat from the geothermal energy so you can run a heat engine, or to keep the city itself at a viable canned-monkey temperature?19:20
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xentracfor the first, you do exactly the same thing as to get the heat in the first place: drill to a layer that's at an appropriate temperature, hydrofrack it, and then pump the hot water through it to cool it.  eventually the coolth becomes depleted and you have to drill somewhere else19:22
xentracfor the second, basically that's just a question of a bit of air conditioning19:22
erasmushttp://smartdrugsmarts.com/episode-104-electroceuticals/19:22
xentrac22:17 < docl> Well, if we are dead and a FAI survives with our brain scans and the desire to resurrect us, that's not such a bad situation.19:24
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xentracwhat if we are dead and an UFAI survives with our brain scans and a desire to resurrect us?19:25
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maaku_xentrac: that would be a terrible situation20:00
maaku_xentrac: i do not subscribe to the notion that my brain scan = me, but that is off-topic for this chanel20:00
maaku_interesting, "no philosophy" seems to have been dropped from the topic20:03
maaku_so I'll elaborate: if I today made a passive brain scan of you, then instantiated that scan in a lab 1,000 miles away, or didn't, how would you know? why would you care?20:05
erasmusyour dna is you20:05
maaku_erasmus: my mom is an identical quadruplet. so her sisters are her?20:05
erasmusyes20:05
maaku_eh, i suspect you are trolling20:06
erasmusso all your cousins are really your brothers and sisters.20:06
erasmuswhy would this be off-topic?20:06
erasmusI think it's interesting.20:07
erasmuscould a Qeeg in some way to a mirror into your soul?20:07
maaku_it has in the past led to the type of endless discussion that never resolves20:07
erasmusdo you have issues with complexity?20:08
maaku_are you speaking to me? no20:08
erasmusyes20:08
erasmusI am20:08
erasmuscause I don't think there could be a simple answer to your question.20:08
maaku_no i don't have issues with complexity, and my identical twin or genetic clone is not "me" in the sense that is relevant here20:08
erasmusso Jango Fett and Bobo Fett weren't the same even though the had the same DNA.20:10
maaku_the situation above is some unfriendly AI wipes out humanity, but takes careful brain scans first. it later decides to re-instantiate everyone in some utopian heaven, so all is good20:10
erasmusyou would need to store a HUUUGE amount of data.20:11
maaku_my objection is that future-instantiated-me is not a continuation of my existence. it's someone else who just thinks and talks like me20:11
xentracmaaku_: the question "how would you know?" depends on what is meant by "you", so there are multiple different reasonable answers to this20:11
erasmusright like a ghola created in an Axlotl tank20:12
maaku_xentrac: the question of "how would you know?" is not relevant to my objection. even if I never knew I would still object20:12
erasmuswhat then is our essence, our true selves, our soul.20:12
xentracerasmus: an illusion20:12
erasmusperhaps20:12
xentracmaaku_: I might be in favor of it, depending on what you do in the lab20:13
maaku_xentrac: let's imagine i kill your wife/brother/sister/parent/loved-one and replace them with a robot that in every way is the same. would you be upset when you found out?20:13
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erasmuswhen Sebastion asked Pris she replied. I think Sebastion therefore I am.20:13
xentracmaaku_: they do that themselves every night20:13
xentracfor some reasonable defintions of "kill" and "robot"20:13
bjonnhmaaku_: I would be upset20:13
xentrachttp://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 is the best literature I have found so far on this topic20:14
erasmusPaul Atreides could have had his beloved Chani back as a ghola but refused.20:14
maaku_bjonnh: then you have a grounding for my objection. destructive copying (mind upload and kill) is that objectionable scenario20:14
maaku_xentrac: eh, no memories don't form during sleep, but the brain does continue functioning just fine20:15
maaku_xentrac: general anesthetic, maybe20:15
bjonnhbecause you make the hypothesis that you can make an exact copy including everything, and you still call that a robot20:15
erasmusif a bunch of identical twins got into a car accident and some of them died and the one who survived needed brain surgery and got some of the twins tissue would they have their brothers or sisters memories?20:16
bjonnherasmus: if you consider that all memory is in the brain yes20:16
erasmuswhere else could it be stored?20:16
bjonnhthere are neurons elsewhere in the body20:16
bjonnhimmune system has memory too20:17
bjonnhcells have memory too20:17
bjonnhif you think memory of events/people brain is probably enough20:17
xentracmaaku_: you die every second and are reborn20:17
xentracand this is why "no philosophy" was in the topic20:17
bjonnhif you think memory of everything the body has been exposed to… brain is not enough20:17
erasmusweren't there dinosaurs that were so big that they had a small brain in their ass that handled the hind legs?20:17
erasmusit might be a myth20:18
erasmushttp://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-double-dinosaur-brain-myth-12155823/?no-ist20:18
erasmusyeah it's a myth20:18
bjonnhmaaku_: my main objection to all this mind upload thing, is that our social system is too broken to allow everybody to have access to that.20:18
maaku_bjonnh: so don't let everyone have access to it20:19
bjonnhmaaku_: meaning that it will solve nothing else than the fear of dying of the people who can afford it20:19
maaku_why do we have to be egalitarian?20:19
bjonnhwhich by the way may not help them resolving their issues20:19
erasmusmaaku_ most people aren't.20:19
maaku_xentrac: bollocks. the mind and body are a continuously operating integrated process. the edge cases are hard to process but it is certiainly not the case that one "dies every second and is reborn"20:21
bjonnhit would mean that all processes are synchronized20:21
bjonnhwhich they are not20:21
maaku_i thought "no philosophy" was in the topic because we're all now talking about this instead of working ;)20:22
erasmusthis is perhaps why I banned from here20:22
erasmus*get20:22
bjonnhhah20:23
bjonnhmaaku_: that said, you were the one starting that no ?20:23
erasmusthis is all my fault I guess20:23
maaku_i'm on vacation :)20:23
bjonnhfair enough20:23
xentracmaaku_: the mind and body continue to be a continuously operating integrated process even as the body is rotting after its heart has stopped, no?20:25
xentracand it hardly seems especially relevant whether it's continuous or discontinuous20:25
xentracif the universe stopped for a moment and then continued on as before, would that kill everyone alive and replace them with copies?20:26
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xentracI mean, that is a thing that could be happening frequently.  or you could even argue that it is necessarily happening frequently if you accept a definition of time for which it is a coherent question20:27
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maaku_xentrac: the best (meaning most explanitory given the evidence) theory I've heard so far is that all physical processes have subjective experience, even a rock is in some limited since conscious. interacting/entangled processes 'merge' this experience, the brain and body is one giant merged subjective experience20:29
xentracsure, that seems totally plausible, but it doesn't rescue your thesis about how being uploaded is fundamentally different (and worse) than being anesthetized or just allowing some time to pass20:30
maaku_so yes, the body rots and breaks up into smaller and smaller entities, but certainly there is something lost in the process, the monumental association of processes that is you or me20:30
erasmuslike in Prometheus20:30
xentracsure, but that monumental association is just what the uploading process is postulated to preserve20:30
xentracbut it's probably a lot more entertaining to get all this from the comic I linked above than from me blathering on IRC20:31
erasmuswhich comic?20:31
maaku_xentrac: maybe there is lack of clarity on my thesis -- I'm saying that instantiation matters. that if another interacting process that resembles me, either biologically or in emulation on a computer, is started, it shares characteristics with me but is not me20:32
xentrac04:14 < xentrac> http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1 is the best literature I have found so far on this topic20:33
maaku_xentrac: to transition to uploaded state (my own life goal for the moment), I need to co-exist in biological and electronic form, slowly transitioning20:33
xentracmaaku_: but you could make the same argument about yourself after general anesthesia, or after the hypothetical universal pause20:33
maaku_xentrac: universal pause doesn't make physical sense, but for general anesthesia, yes. it scares the crap out of me20:34
xentracyou should read the comic then!20:35
xentracyou will feel better in a way that might save your life20:35
maaku_I have read it, disagree with the conclusions20:35
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xentracoh, bummer20:37
maaku_the "your body is disassociating every picosecond anyway" argument falls flat. it presumes quite a bit such as synchronicity of lock-step physical processes, and a lack of long-duration physical processes20:38
maaku_it's a very computation-oriented argument, which doesn't reflect physical reality very well20:38
erasmusisn't that just a rip off of that movie about the magicians?20:38
xentracthe universal pause is easy to accept if you presuppose that we are in a simulation, or could be without being able to tell20:38
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maaku_erasmus: and and the movie was better (batman vs wolverine!)20:38
xentracif the computer simulating our universe blocks on a page fault for a while, then our universe is paused until it loads the relevant page from disk20:39
erasmusWolverine would destroy Batman20:39
xentracin its timeline20:39
maaku_sadly batman wins in this case20:39
erasmusBatman would get owned and sliced to pieces20:41
erasmusBatman would be shredded.20:41
xentracsome people think the existence of qualia demonstrates that we are not in a simulation but I am pretty sure that you are not among them, maaku_20:41
erasmusare you then suggesting that maaku_ is out of alignment?20:43
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xentracno20:44
xentracso, how's the Linux port of solvespace?20:45
xentracis it working enough to be worth trying?20:45
maaku_xentrac: even if we presuppose physics to be lock-step and time-discrete that doesn't mean we "die and are reborn" between time units20:46
maaku_erasmus: yes my views are non-mainstream20:46
maaku_at the end of the day though it doesn't radically change the next steps20:46
maaku_it does mean I choose cryonics over brain plastication (sp?)20:47
maaku_and I seek transitional uploading (artificial neurons) vs brain scan and emulate20:47
xentracall of our views are non-mainstream20:47
maaku_but the next steps are still the same ones: molecular nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, etc.20:47
maaku_xentrac: too true20:48
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maaku_oh and I avoid general anestshetic as if it were something that'd kill me20:49
maaku_but other than that, things are the same20:49
xentrac:)20:49
xentracso.  constraint solving and optimization and solvespace.  how are things?20:52
xentrac(a new sun rises each day, but my sadness is still the same.)20:54
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doclIt's weird, I have intuitions like maaku_ but logically agree with xentrac.21:09
doclI think I'd have a phobia of teleporters if they were invented, but (if they are perfect enough) would think of that fear as irrational.21:11
xentracyeah, I probably would too.  on the other hand, I've already been through general anesthesia, and A++++ would die again21:21
docl:)21:24
xentracat least in that way!21:24
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kanzure20:00 < maaku_> xentrac: i do not subscribe to the notion that my brain scan = me, but that is off-topic for this chanel22:32
kanzureomg someone that is capable of both disagreeing and also understanding why something is off-topic, geeze wtf22:32
kanzuremust be a witch, burn him at the stake22:32
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