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| lkjhfr | i want to have a power cord tail and fix carbon and nitrogen with my lungs | 02:39 |
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| lkjhfr | no, this wouldn't make sense, which is a good thing, because it wouldn't be easy to do | 03:05 |
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| JayDugger | You want to be a bean plant that plugs into an electrical socket? | 03:56 |
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| @kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10998486 | 08:36 |
| yoleaux | Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? | Hacker News | 08:36 |
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| lkjhfr | JayDugger: no, plants harvest sun energy, not electricity, but either way it wouldn't make sense, it would take over an hour to charge with 1kW | 09:01 |
| JayDugger | Fair enough. The power cord tail didn't make sense. | 09:01 |
| streety | what are you charging? and do you mean 1 kWh? | 09:02 |
| lkjhfr | over an hour of deep breathing | 09:04 |
| lkjhfr | streety: i guess that would have to be water... which makes it make even less sense | 09:07 |
| streety | wait, water contains neither carbon nor nitrogen so why would it be involved in the carbon/nitrogen capture scheme? | 09:10 |
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| cluckj | electron transfer chain? | 09:11 |
| lkjhfr | streety: because you lose it while breathing | 09:12 |
| streety | lkjhfr: but you can obtain a large quantity of water by drinking it, you are unlikely to dehydrate. | 09:14 |
| lkjhfr | camels do many different things to keep the water inside, but i am not a camel | 09:14 |
| lkjhfr | the point would be to not have to put anything in my mouth again, besides sucking on mineral tablets | 09:14 |
| cluckj | stillsuit? | 09:14 |
| lkjhfr | the water is lost while breathing, it's some kind of condenser in the nose | 09:15 |
| streety | in that context this conversation is making more sense | 09:15 |
| streety | your scheme might be easier to make work if your neither ate nor breathed. Total internal recycling powered by the electricity supply | 09:19 |
| lkjhfr | yeah, but i don't know if there's enough volume in the body to contain that | 09:19 |
| lkjhfr | i mean, i wouldn't want to be plugged in at all times, which would require some power capacity of the body | 09:20 |
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| lkjhfr | energy capacity | 09:24 |
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| streety | Carbohydrates and fats provide a dense source of fuel, the oxidizer might be an issue. You would also want to avoid gaseous end-products. It might be a challenge. | 09:31 |
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| lkjhfr | this means that the table of energy densities on wikipedia is missing the oxidizer in weight calculations :) | 09:38 |
| lkjhfr | it's pointed out in a note in the middle of the article | 09:40 |
| delinquentme | Ok so say you're doing some kinda in-vacuo chemistry that knocks off an electron | 09:42 |
| delinquentme | what happens to that electron? | 09:42 |
| delinquentme | does it just go beaming off until it interacts w something charged? | 09:43 |
| delinquentme | does it like ... tunnel to the nearest positivity ? | 09:43 |
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| lkjhfr | the electron is harvested by cells which convert the metabolism products back into glucose and ketones... and oxygen? | 09:46 |
| lkjhfr | by cells i mean an organ fitted with biomineralized elctrode or something | 09:48 |
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| delinquentme | ahhhhh | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | so in vacuum | 09:49 |
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| delinquentme | not like free radicals in organs | 09:50 |
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| lkjhfr | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Direct%20Biological%20Conversion%20of%20Electrical%20Current%20into%20Methane%20by%20Electromethanogenesis.pdf | 09:52 |
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| delinquentme | "milipede" | 10:00 |
| delinquentme | http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.58.9045&rep=rep1&type=pdf | 10:00 |
| delinquentme | ~1000 tip AFM array | 10:00 |
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| fenn | http://thinklab.com/blog/10-consequences-of-a-broken-scientific-reward-system/36 while anyone can complain, i've rarely seen such a concise and comprehensive list of what's wrong with academic research, although they forgot to list "principle investigators waste 99% of their time on securing grant funding instead of doing science" | 16:26 |
| fenn | principal* | 16:27 |
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| abetusk | I wonder how good this journal is: http://jnrbm.biomedcentral.com/ | 16:36 |
| fenn | huh, thinklab plans to pay people to do peer review. | 16:37 |
| juri_ | http://kalli1.faikvm.com/HacDC/OpticalTableRobot/files/tip/ | 16:44 |
| juri_ | ^--- source code to my 3d printer, in implicitcad. | 16:45 |
| fenn | cool. have you thought about making a library of standard parts like nuts and bolts? | 16:49 |
| fenn | for implicitcad | 16:49 |
| juri_ | indeed. I figgured i'd let what i use get unweildy first, however. | 16:50 |
| cluckj | remuneration for work like that is totally necessary | 16:50 |
| cluckj | all the free labor that scientists and academics do is pretty astounding | 16:50 |
| fenn | cluckj what they're proposing is pretty radical; there's a $20 minimum guaranteed reward per comment, with extra points if the author or other reviewers thought it was a useful comment | 16:51 |
| cluckj | whoa | 16:51 |
| fenn | they also want to open it up to random people on the internet | 16:51 |
| cluckj | that's serious money | 16:51 |
| cluckj | well...I guess that depends what a "comment" is | 16:52 |
| fenn | "Proposal review is a significant time investment and we expect people to earn between $100 to $400 for completing a full review." | 16:52 |
| cluckj | yes | 16:52 |
| juri_ | sounds profitable to me. I'd be game. | 16:53 |
| cluckj | me too | 16:53 |
| fenn | "Whoever posted the Reviewer Rewards may invite up to three people to review the proposal" | 16:54 |
| fenn | it's unclear where the rest of the money goes if all of the comments are useless | 16:55 |
| cluckj | who determines usefulness? | 16:55 |
| fenn | "Any user that is affiliated with a research institution or that has been approved for participation may rate comments." | 16:56 |
| cluckj | it sounds like it would be easier to just hire some fucking reviewers and editors | 16:56 |
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| systemsgotyou | hi | 16:56 |
| systemsgotyou | is modafinil a good replacement for caffeine? | 16:56 |
| fenn | they are equally effective for the purposes of not falling asleep | 16:57 |
| psyreal | yep | 16:57 |
| systemsgotyou | in terms of focus | 16:57 |
| psyreal | for some Mod helps greatly for others little or none. YMMV | 16:57 |
| systemsgotyou | thanks | 16:58 |
| cluckj | I dunno, I'd rather not spend my time doing something then be not paid for it because it was downvoted | 17:02 |
| fenn | you always get the minimum payment | 17:02 |
| cluckj | hm | 17:02 |
| cluckj | where does the money come from? | 17:02 |
| fenn | the bonus points are to make an incentive to write good comments | 17:03 |
| cluckj | oh | 17:03 |
| fenn | i'm not sure where the money comes from exactly, it just says "Funds may be posted by sponsoring organizations who have posted Thinklab funding opportunities, or by the researchers themselves." | 17:04 |
| cluckj | interesting | 17:04 |
| fenn | looks like they have actually moved some money around already http://thinklab.com/funding/1/funded | 17:05 |
| cluckj | not too much, it still looks proof-of-concept | 17:09 |
| fenn | yep | 17:09 |
| cluckj | super neoliberal too | 17:10 |
| fenn | i bet a lot of people would pay a small amount to make writing their grant proposal easier and have a higher chance of success, with the funding cycle being so long if you screw up and don't get funded it's worth spending a little to boost your chance of success | 17:11 |
| fenn | .wik neoliberal | 17:11 |
| yoleaux | "Neoliberalism is a term whose usage and definition have changed over time. Since the 1980s, the term has been used by scholars in a wide variety of social sciences and critics primarily in reference to the resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberal | 17:11 |
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| fenn | http://thinklab.com/leaderboard | 17:13 |
| cluckj | hah | 17:14 |
| fenn | it's interesting that daniel himmelstein has 17 times the number of comments posted by antoine lizee, but only 1.37 times as much money earned | 17:15 |
| fenn | does this reflect poorly on himmelstein's commenting ability? | 17:15 |
| cluckj | maybe he's doing some free commenting? | 17:15 |
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| cluckj | or his comments were on his own project? | 17:18 |
| fenn | oh that's probably it | 17:18 |
| cluckj | yes, look at who is on that project vs the leaderboard | 17:18 |
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| fenn | one of lizee's "comments" is a link to his open source implementation of an algorithm the author was requesting... | 17:22 |
| fenn | i'm not sure what counts as peer review vs just watercooler discussion | 17:23 |
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| @kanzure | "peer review" is often watercooler discussion... | 17:49 |
| fenn | i mean for the purposes of earning peer review points | 17:49 |
| fenn | i guess the "guaranteed reward" thing is just a bad idea | 17:50 |
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| juri_ | https://github.com/caesar0301/awesome-public-datasets | 18:07 |
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| fenn | "2GB of Photos of Cats" now you're talkin | 18:43 |
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