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| archels | Elizabeth Parrish, CEO of BioViva, may be the first case of self-experimentation gene therapy. She | 03:06 |
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| archels | claims to have inserted extra genes for producing the proteins follistatin (causes muscle growth) and | 03:06 |
| archels | telomerase (involved in regulating ageing) at a clinic outside the US (Regalado 2015). | 03:06 |
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| kanzure | "How is it that some can charge $20 (or even less) and some go up to $48 or even more?" ""Then what do you think of the "American Scientific Publishers" with 113 USD + tax?" "or the books of them: example: Encyclopedia of Nanoscience and Nanotechnology, 25-Volume Set, Price: $16,999.00" | 06:00 |
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| kanzure | re: pdfparanoia performance testing, https://github.com/kanzure/pdfparanoia/issues/49 | 06:13 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:26 |
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| pompolic | sorry if it's nitpicking: you have a typo in the readme, in the first russian paragraph | 06:42 |
| pompolic | it's written "pdfparania" instead of "pdfparanoia" | 06:42 |
| kanzure | thank you, fixed | 06:45 |
| pompolic | np :D | 06:45 |
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| ok | http://www.pcisig.com/members/downloads/PCIe_M.2_Electromechanical_Spec_Rev1.0_Final_11012013_RS_Clean.pdf | 08:10 |
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| chris_99 | weird | 08:11 |
| yoleaux | 00:56Z <nmz787_i> chris_99: huh, I don't think I remember hearing about quorn before... I am not sure how this escaped me... maybe they don't import the stuff into the states? | 08:11 |
| chris_99 | haha nmz787, i thought you could get it in the states too actually, but maybe not | 08:12 |
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| JayDugger | quorn is an ingredient in some frozen foods. | 09:04 |
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| kanzure | "I'm imagining a 10 acre array of NAND ssd memory" | 09:18 |
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| maaku | archels: haha extra genes for muscle growth. that's brilliant | 11:17 |
| maaku | how long until that's the standard for the MLB | 11:17 |
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| nmz787_i1 | gene enhanced players/competitors should just have their own 'class' rather than being disqualified | 11:35 |
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| maaku | bah we should get rid of this stupid concept of policiing performance enhancement | 12:22 |
| kanzure | then we should celebrate it | 12:23 |
| kanzure | throw parties etc | 12:23 |
| kanzure | "lance found to be drugged up; great let's throw a pizza party" | 12:23 |
| maaku | not as crazy as kids taking adderall being disqualified from e.g. chess and math tournaments | 12:25 |
| chris_99 | haha | 12:26 |
| chris_99 | some people are prescribed that anyway though surely | 12:26 |
| kanzure | normies vs adderall junkies would be an interesting chess tournament | 12:27 |
| kanzure | with an instant death round where the adderall junkies have no more adderall | 12:28 |
| kanzure | "I conclude there are next to no reliable ways to protect against major calamities with AI. All existing systems are already openly conspiring against such a mechanism or infrastructure." http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/suntzu20160225 | 12:28 |
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| kanzure | hooray perhaps they will stop trying to impose a moratorium on transhumanism | 12:29 |
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| FourFire | archels, Still haven't gotten a response from her... | 13:36 |
| FourFire | kanzure, if you want to make an acre of NAND, first reduce the production environment requirements for a viable nand array: http://memory.oyhus.no/ | 13:41 |
| kanzure | /win 97 | 13:44 |
| kanzure | erjqeijrqoi | 13:44 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787_i1, i found videos of the venus fly trap electrostimulation thing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_65wxWTocw i was reading that appaerntly theres a plant called 'waterwheel plant' that you can open/close with electricity | 14:21 |
| kanzure | http://bjoern.brembs.net/2016/02/sci-hub-as-necessary-effective-civil-disobedience/ | 14:24 |
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| kanzure | http://cdn2.alphr.com/sites/alphr/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/2016/02/humans_wont_understand_artificial_intelligence.jpg?itok=lvJdRyjd | 14:26 |
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| chris_99 | just watching a bbc documentary were they're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_block-face_scanning_electron_microscopy looks really interesting | 14:27 |
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| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: yeah its pretty sweet stuff, I've seen some talks locally (since they manufacture/design dual-beam SEM/FIBs in my neighborhood) | 15:03 |
| chris_99 | nice :) | 15:03 |
| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: there has been some really really cool infomation produced of things like geometry of brain cells... which needs much finer resolution than just connectome stuff | 15:04 |
| chris_99 | it mentions they do it for small samples right, is there soemthing similar for human sized brains | 15:05 |
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| nmz787_i1 | the problem is mostly just logistics... getting a sample chamber (vacuum, and beams usually have pretty short working distance) | 15:07 |
| nmz787_i1 | getting a sample chamber that is big enough * | 15:07 |
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| chris_99 | aha | 15:08 |
| chris_99 | i'm just wondering neurons rely on things like the flow of say potassium ions right? a SEM wouldn't be able to pick up different atoms/ions though would it? | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | so yeah, you'd need a really nice XYZ gantry (which they have) but for a brain you'd need to have long travel in all directions too | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | yeah you can do elemental mapping | 15:11 |
| chris_99 | you can? | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | yea | 15:11 |
| chris_99 | with a SEM? | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | EDS or EDX | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | .wik EDX | 15:11 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: EDX" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDX | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | .wik EDS | 15:11 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: EDS" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDS | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | heh | 15:11 |
| chris_99 | oh spectroscopy | 15:11 |
| nmz787_i1 | yeah electrons in, photons out | 15:12 |
| nmz787_i1 | (in xray region) | 15:12 |
| chris_99 | ahh | 15:12 |
| chris_99 | cool | 15:12 |
| nmz787_i1 | you can also do EELS | 15:12 |
| nmz787_i1 | .wik EELS | 15:12 |
| yoleaux | "In electron energy loss spectroscopy (EELS) a material is exposed to a beam of electrons with a known, narrow range of kinetic energies. Some of the electrons will undergo inelastic scattering, which means that they lose energy and have their paths slightly and randomly deflected." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EELS | 15:12 |
| nmz787_i1 | or | 15:12 |
| nmz787_i1 | .wik pixe | 15:12 |
| yoleaux | "Particle-induced X-ray emission or proton-induced X-ray emission (PIXE) is a technique used in the determining of the elemental make-up of a material or sample. When a material is exposed to an ion beam, atomic interactions occur that give off EM radiation of wavelengths in the x-ray part of the electromagnetic spectrum specific to an element." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIXE | 15:12 |
| nmz787_i1 | (using a FIB) | 15:12 |
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| chris_99 | so dumb question, after you die, theoretically would your memories still be stored in the form of ions etc. and potentially readable? | 15:13 |
| nmz787_i1 | i'd guess within some time limit | 15:14 |
| nmz787_i1 | like that princeton cold boot ram attack | 15:14 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 15:14 |
| Proteus | no | 15:14 |
| chris_99 | why not? | 15:14 |
| nmz787_i1 | long term memories are likely more connectome related than short term would be | 15:15 |
| kanzure | death is not really well defined | 15:15 |
| nmz787_i1 | though there is likely lots and lots of interplay | 15:15 |
| kanzure | information-theoretic death is what you need to get rid of memory | 15:15 |
| nmz787_i1 | who knows if mRNAs also count | 15:15 |
| chris_99 | kanzure, aha good point | 15:15 |
| Proteus | well, death can be defined as a loss of coherency | 15:15 |
| nmz787_i1 | or other non-metal molecules | 15:15 |
| Proteus | eyah | 15:15 |
| chris_99 | kanzure, i guess i mean no EEG emission maybe | 15:16 |
| Proteus | why do you think 'memories' are stored as 'ions' | 15:16 |
| Proteus | what does that even mean? | 15:16 |
| nmz787_i1 | Proteus: the organization matters | 15:16 |
| kanzure | i think there are a number of monks that screw around with EEG readouts, does that count? | 15:16 |
| nmz787_i1 | just like bits don't store information alone | 15:16 |
| nmz787_i1 | or rather a voltage | 15:17 |
| kanzure | chris_99: at the moment we don't know how to extract memory at all, other than motor output | 15:17 |
| kanzure | so even if someone is living we still don't know how to extract memory | 15:17 |
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| Proteus | there's been some progress on how memories are stored, however | 15:17 |
| chris_99 | aha kanzure | 15:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/DNA%20methylation%20in%20memory%20formation%20-%20emerging%20insights%20-%202015.pdf | 15:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Memory%20engram%20storage%20and%20retrieval%20-%202015.pdf | 15:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Optogenetic%20stimulation%20of%20a%20hippocampal%20engram%20activates%20fear%20memory%20recall%20-%202012.pdf | 15:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Projections%20from%20neocortex%20mediate%20top-down%20control%20of%20memory%20retrieval%20-%202015.pdf | 15:19 |
| chris_99 | cheers | 15:20 |
| Proteus | has anyone here played with tensorflow? | 15:22 |
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| fenn | i didn't realize tensorflow was open source | 15:30 |
| kanzure | .title https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7601 | 15:32 |
| yoleaux | [WIP] HTLC implementation in the wallet by ebfull · Pull Request #7601 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub | 15:32 |
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| Proteus | fenn: https://github.com/tensorflow/skflow | 16:25 |
| Proteus | not just open source, easy to use | 16:25 |
| Proteus | though, I'm told, not as optimized as torch and theano | 16:26 |
| Proteus | yet | 16:26 |
| nmz787_i1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQWTxDd4a7E | 16:32 |
| nmz787_i1 | good song | 16:32 |
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| fenn | pretty forceful legal brief from apple rejecting fbi's proposed iphone encryption backdoor http://brokeandbroker.com/PDF/AppleMotVac190225.pdf | 16:44 |
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| nmz787_i1 | ugh, engineering change orders of partially laid out PCBs is a headscratcher | 16:54 |
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| Proteus | fenn: thanks for this link | 17:28 |
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| kanzure | https://blog.torproject.org/blog/statement-tor-project-re-courts-february-23-order-us-v-farrell | 19:06 |
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| fenn | "Tor users clearly lack a reasonable expectation of privacy in their IP addresses while using the Tor network." sounds like an onion article | 19:20 |
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| kanzure | do you mean a tor onion? | 19:24 |
| fenn | ha ha. | 19:25 |
| fenn | no | 19:26 |
| kanzure | "computer users lack a reasonable expectation of computing" - the judge | 19:27 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11177957 | 19:38 |
| yoleaux | Sci-Hub as necessary, effective civil disobedience | Hacker News | 19:38 |
| kanzure | http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent_notforall/ | 19:38 |
| kanzure | welp.... | 19:38 |
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