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| Mori4rty | Why might going cold turkey on a high dose (300 mg XR) of Venlafaxine / prozac cause someone to have an upset tummy? | 05:39 |
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| Mori4rty | like, acid or something. | 05:39 |
| Mori4rty | (tummy acid, not LSD) | 05:40 |
| Mori4rty | Is it common? (I'm not a doc/biologoist) | 05:41 |
| Mori4rty | Can it safely be ignored? | 05:42 |
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| archels | try ##nutrition, #reddit-nootropics | 05:43 |
| Mori4rty | You mean, you don't know, or you're saying this chan is the wrong place to ask that Q? | 05:46 |
| jrayhawk_ | 'Cause crossposting usually doesn't hurt. | 05:47 |
| Mori4rty | kk. cheers | 05:47 |
| Mori4rty | I thought someone here would know off the top of their head. | 05:47 |
| jrayhawk_ | 95% of serotonin is manufactured and utilized for anti-inflammatory signaling by the gut | 05:48 |
| archels | both, although someone might pipe in | 05:48 |
| jrayhawk_ | that's all i know | 05:48 |
| Mori4rty | but if they're not throwing up, it's fine, right? | 05:48 |
| pasky | i wouldn't bet on that without consulting a doctor | 06:02 |
| Mori4rty | What's the worst case scenario? | 06:03 |
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| heath | https://github.com/newrelic/centurion | 07:34 |
| heath | https://github.com/spotify/helios | 07:34 |
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| kanzure | you guys ran maaku out of here while i was on my death bed? you guys are awful. | 12:28 |
| kanzure | next time i'm that close to death i'll be sure to leave some god damn instructions or something, yeesh | 12:30 |
| Mori4rty | kanzure: You might learn something from this: https://forum.fractalfuture.net/t/how--not--to-be-transhuman-transhumanist-slack/1099 (but I expect you won't be able to figure out what) | 12:30 |
| kanzure | you don't want to pick this fight with me today | 12:31 |
| Mori4rty | I do | 12:31 |
| kanzure | you want to go home and rethink your life | 12:31 |
| Mori4rty | I don't | 12:31 |
| kanzure | david pearce is garbage and i'm not sure why you are linking me to this | 12:31 |
| Mori4rty | I can explain | 12:31 |
| Mori4rty | What do you mean by 'Garbage'? I assume you don't care for him because he's not a scientist. | 12:32 |
| Mori4rty | and this is at the root of all your problems | 12:32 |
| kanzure | he's garbage because he's not productive | 12:33 |
| Mori4rty | You'll at least appreciate Godelian gravity | 12:33 |
| Mori4rty | He's sick. | 12:33 |
| Mori4rty | He needs love. Not hate. | 12:33 |
| Mori4rty | Hate wont make him better. Love will. | 12:33 |
| Mori4rty | understand that about people, and you'll get more out of them | 12:33 |
| kanzure | i am not interested in getting more out of david pearce | 12:34 |
| Mori4rty | carrot and stick | 12:34 |
| Mori4rty | You'll get more out of your hardcore crew | 12:34 |
| Mori4rty | DP could actually be useful to you, in non direct ways, but you're too blinkered to see things like that. Which is fine. We have other people looking at the highlevel game | 12:35 |
| kanzure | that's a load of shit; david pearce isn't influential with them. | 12:35 |
| Mori4rty | Who is 'them' ? | 12:35 |
| Mori4rty | Who do you want influence over? | 12:35 |
| Mori4rty | Elon Musk? | 12:35 |
| kanzure | you claimed "you'll get more out of your hardcore crew if you love david pearce and make him better by loving him"-- this line of reasoning is completely boring. | 12:36 |
| Mori4rty | errr. No kanz, sometimes you can be mindblowingly stupid. I was saying if you love your crew you'll get more out of them. DP has nothing to do with you, obviously | 12:37 |
| Mori4rty | You really are up there with Elizer for the 'stupid smart guy' award | 12:38 |
| Mori4rty | You think people love you for being a badass... but it's more complex | 12:39 |
| Mori4rty | anyway | 12:39 |
| kanzure | i think people think what? | 12:40 |
| Mori4rty | You understand all the words. I didn't put them together in a difficult or subtle way. | 12:40 |
| Mori4rty | You get how much smarter I am than you, right? | 12:41 |
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| Mori4rty | We're not talking human levels | 12:41 |
| kanzure | you are truly a trillion times smarter than me, please continue | 12:41 |
| Mori4rty | heh. Is this Kanz waking up, or is this Kanz using the lowest form of wit!? | 12:42 |
| Mori4rty | Who knows. | 12:42 |
| Mori4rty | (-: | 12:42 |
| Mori4rty | Have you found Eugen yet? | 12:42 |
| Mori4rty | He's also up for the 'smart stupid' award | 12:42 |
| Mori4rty | He might take the biscuit | 12:43 |
| kanzure | do your awards have any value whatsoever like monetary equivalence or something? | 12:43 |
| kanzure | or are you just full of shit and wasting our time? | 12:43 |
| Mori4rty | I gotta go buy smokes. BBL | 12:44 |
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| kanzure | Sishio: although it is true that cryonics organizations have so far followed that "eh just hope we have tech in the future to resuscitate these corpsicles" attitude, it is wrong to claim that cryonics is incompatible with other approaches (such as verification). | 12:48 |
| kanzure | Sishio: "does the technology for recovery exist right now?" actually there's a strong possibility that the answer is both yes and no-- the tech already exists but it hasn't been used in relevant ways. additionally, i would not be surprised to learn that current corpsicles are unrecoverable using modern tech. | 12:49 |
| kanzure | "alcor literally murdered a dude once" meh, that's still a better reliability rate than you're going to get elsewhere. | 12:50 |
| kanzure | i am also not convinced that you definitely need an organization for resuscitation. if you already have a working method of resuscitation (which alcor does not have), then you could theoretically use a machine to instrument this process. machines can be tested and engineered for certain levels of reliability, which is independent and divorced from economic climate of whatever eras you pass through. only thing you would have to worry ... | 12:51 |
| kanzure | ... about is stuff like energy and hiding or something (which is why many people mention space vehicles here). | 12:51 |
| kanzure | "completely repairing the brain" nah nobody said you need to completely repair anything. how would you even measure completeness? it's a bogus concept here. | 12:51 |
| kanzure | "solely from donations. You're a non-profit, so that's your one and only source of income." that's not how non-profits work -_- | 12:53 |
| kanzure | "maybe throwing the rest away would mean losing valuable things" .. i wouldn't worry about this. you can probably throw away >10% of the brain matter and still turn out OK too. | 12:54 |
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| kanzure | "human emulation would be good if what you were after was a primate" from where i'm sitting, this primate brain has done some alright things that i want to see more | 12:55 |
| kanzure | i really hate the birds/wings/airplanes/lift stuff. we have had kites for a very long time. flapping works, even if we didn't have kites. | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | maaku: re: "show me a reasonable business plan for selling AGI as a service" i think it would be more efficient for you to point out that if AGI was sold off-the-shelf then people would just use the AGI to make new AGI software even if they don't have access to legible source code. | 12:59 |
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| c0rw1n | um, maaku isn't here now | 13:00 |
| c0rw1n | orite, logs. derp | 13:00 |
| kanzure | neither is eudoxia but that doesn't stop him | 13:00 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: emachineshop and related services will spit out physical parts for you from CAD input files. there's a lot of these services. also, most machine shops will also work with whatever input files you give them. | 13:02 |
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| kanzure | http://compneuro.uwaterloo.ca/publications.html | 13:27 |
| archels | Marr's Attacks haha that has to be the best paper title in computational neuroscience | 13:30 |
| kanzure | are you aware of any papers where people did neural network things and then after demonstrating some high performance on some sort of task, they then proceed to cull elements from the neural network and figure out best set of elements to cull? | 13:38 |
| kanzure | "culling" is apparently not the word that they would be using if someone has tried this. because i do not get relevant results. | 13:38 |
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| nmz787_i | ugh, polymerase on hackaday, and they seem to be holding my comments captive (or the site sucks and my comments never made it to their servers, who knows) | 14:02 |
| nmz787_i | (crap about left-handed DNA imagery pissing people off and how it doesn't exist or something) | 14:02 |
| nmz787_i | also people discussing poor implementations of thermocyclers | 14:02 |
| nmz787_i | including a hackaday.io project that looks like the failed-for-hackers-and-commercial-sales lavaAmp | 14:03 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: There are many pruning methods, is that what you're talking about? | 15:12 |
| kanzure | can you show me evidence that people who write neural network software (or do research in that area) are using pruning? | 15:13 |
| kanzure | because i have not been able to find this sort of evidence. which is weirding me out. | 15:13 |
| maaku | justanotheruser: can you link to some? I've very interested in this | 15:14 |
| maaku | I previously did some research and didn't find any good resources | 15:14 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: no, I can only repeat what I have read in my textbook | 15:17 |
| justanotheruser | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6795446&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D6795446 | 15:17 |
| kanzure | "Structured Pruning of Deep Convolutional Neural Networks" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.08571.pdf | 15:19 |
| kanzure | alright well i was definitely using the wrong keyword :| | 15:19 |
| justanotheruser | emachineshop appears to be CAD software? | 15:21 |
| kanzure | yes they require you to submit the cad models through their custom system, because they do automatic quoting or something | 15:22 |
| maaku | kanzure: DeSTIN (CNN used by OpenCog) has some pruning. they call it "removing centroids" I think, centroid == feature | 15:22 |
| justanotheruser | ah | 15:22 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: almost every machine shop will accept cad files from you, emachineshop is somewhat of a novelty in that they have custom software to do estimations | 15:22 |
| maaku | kanzure: there's probably different considerations for local feature detection and sparse globally connected hidden layers.. | 15:23 |
| justanotheruser | anything to look for in particular, or do I just google machine shop <location> and select | 15:23 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: to be honest you can probably find reviews on yelp or something, i dunno. | 15:23 |
| justanotheruser | alright, thanks | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | http://innovationhub.intel.com/open-workspace/ | 15:37 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 15:37 |
| yoleaux | Innovation Hub: Open Workspace - Innovation Hub | 15:37 |
| nmz787_i | Digital fabrication tools -- The Innovation Hub’s Digital Fabrication Space includes some amazing tools for you to use, including a Full-Spectrum Laser Printer 6040, Micro 3D Printer, Ultimaker 2 Printer, zPrinter 650, US Cutter Vinyl Cutter, T-Shirt Press, Silhouette Cameo, Emblaser, Brother PE-770 Digital embroidery Machine, PCB and light milling, electronics debug and soldering equipment, and much more to come. There are vending machines | 15:37 |
| nmz787_i | stocked full of supplies for your digital prototyping needs. | 15:37 |
| nmz787_i | if anyone here is around Portland OR | 15:37 |
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| kanzure | http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2016/03/17/go-corporate-or-go-home/ | 17:11 |
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| kanzure | "Part 9: Spraying the Heap [Chapter 2: Use-After-Free]" http://www.fuzzysecurity.com/tutorials/expDev/11.html | 18:53 |
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| kanzure | "Hierarchical reinforcement learning in a biologically plausible neural architecture" (2014) https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/8943/Rasmussen_Daniel.pdf | 18:55 |
| Jawmare | FourFire, I ended the experiment.. the nausea is too much | 19:38 |
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| maaku | kanzure nice find with that dissertation | 20:54 |
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| nildicit | http://scienceforthemasses.org/2016/03/20/at-the-end-of-two-conferences-some-thought/ | 21:02 |
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| xentrac_ | "Dissipative adaptation in driven self-assembly" sounds pretty interesting from the Nautilus article | 23:43 |
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