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| kanzure | dust clouds would probably work for a dyson swarm... reflect light to a single point. much cheaper than deploying solar panels everywhere. | 05:44 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 05:53 |
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| kanzure | http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2015-hugo-awards/ | 06:35 |
| juri_ | http://hackaday.com/2016/04/18/implicitcad-programmatic-cad-built-with-3d-printing-in-mind/ | 06:36 |
| juri_ | aparently, i do good things. | 06:36 |
| kanzure | hm i see eric s. raymond on that 2015 hugo awards list | 06:37 |
| kanzure | gah microsoft introduced yet another cad format this time json :\ https://engineering.microsoft.com/2016/03/03/maker-js-cad-modeling-in-pure-javascript/ | 06:38 |
| kanzure | oh also interesting to see "rolf nelson" on that hugo awards page. i met him in 2008 when i was being indoctrinated into singinst. | 06:39 |
| JayDugger | As "Best New Writers," but for what works? | 06:40 |
| juri_ | "girls r dumb" | 06:41 |
| juri_ | seriously, the guy has a problem. | 06:41 |
| JayDugger | And wow, "Elitist Book Reviews" sure disappoints. | 06:41 |
| JayDugger | Any links, so I can judge for myself? | 06:41 |
| kanzure | juri_: to be fair, there are many people who are dumb, some of them even female :) | 06:42 |
| juri_ | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2118 | 06:43 |
| juri_ | kanzure: la la la, i can't hear you over the sound of my agenda. ;) | 06:43 |
| kanzure | elitist book reviews says "Just a couple guys with much better taste in books than you" i was hoping for reviews of elitist books | 06:44 |
| JayDugger | Yup, me too. | 06:44 |
| JayDugger | Or least book reviews from someone with better taste than that. | 06:44 |
| JayDugger | Juri_, do you know for what works ESR and Rolf Nelso appeared on the Hugo 2015 ballot? | 06:45 |
| kanzure | esr was probably nominated for the emacs manual as a work of fiction *ducks* | 06:45 |
| juri_ | no, i'm just popping my head in, because my project landed on hackaday. | 06:46 |
| JayDugger | if you don't know off-hand, searching isn't needed. | 06:46 |
| * juri_ throws rocks at kanzure. ;) | 06:46 | |
| juri_ | i actually met one of the emacs manual writers from the 80s. he was in congress, dressed and acting like james madison. | 06:46 |
| JayDugger | I stopped caring about the Hugos after I read enough of the award-winners to figure out that some years had a bad crop. | 06:47 |
| kanzure | yeah i have been wondeirng what to do about lack of great scifi | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | Really? Please tell him that two-layer table of contents was a completely stupid idea. | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | Clone Greg Egan. | 06:47 |
| kanzure | when i open up some short story and see 800 pages of dialog i just groan. nobody has anything so important to say that they need to take 800 pages. | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | Resurrect Lem and Stapledon. | 06:48 |
| JayDugger | And Burroughs. | 06:48 |
| JayDugger | Both of them. | 06:48 |
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| c0rw1n | and not Phil K Dick? | 06:49 |
| kanzure | well, as usual one solution is to just make money available for good things, but i'm not sure how to make that work either | 06:49 |
| JayDugger | No. Not Dick. His non-SF is better than his SF. | 06:49 |
| kanzure | people who can write reasonably good scifi are usually employed doing things like actual science or engineering projects | 06:49 |
| JayDugger | Except for "A Scanner Darkly," which is only weakly SF. | 06:49 |
| juri_ | howabout we actually focus on hplus stuff, and reverse larry niven's aging to the time when he wrote good sci-fi? | 06:50 |
| kanzure | larry niven is still around? | 06:50 |
| JayDugger | Well, yes. And they still write interesting SF (Yes, and so is Benford.) | 06:50 |
| juri_ | i had to check wikipedia, but yes. | 06:50 |
| kanzure | b. 1938 | 06:50 |
| JayDugger | There's always Arxiv and grant proposals. *ducks* | 06:51 |
| JayDugger | Anyway, it was encouraging to see translated fiction on the ballot. | 06:53 |
| kanzure | perhaps something with a bunch of ghostwriters and editors working from the same source material. e.g. the star wars franchise over time had a formula for cranking out books with new authors that usually met some quality standard (er, i mean, i'm sure they had variance...) | 06:53 |
| JayDugger | .wik formula fiction | 06:54 |
| yoleaux | "In popular culture, formula fiction is literature in which the storylines and plots have been reused to the extent that the narratives are predictable. It is similar to genre fiction, which identifies a number of specific settings that are frequently reused." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_fiction | 06:54 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=30948 | 06:55 |
| yoleaux | Building the Bowl of Heaven | 06:55 |
| JayDugger | Pfft! What a crap article summary. | 06:55 |
| kanzure | no no i don't mean storylines/plots | 06:55 |
| JayDugger | And the article sucked too, right down to the navbox. | 06:55 |
| JayDugger | Oh, I misunderstood you then. | 06:56 |
| kanzure | not sure if there's a franchise where the editors were responsible for ensuring worldbuilding integrity/use, besides enforcing some minimum standard of quality | 06:57 |
| JayDugger | Besides having a series bible? I thought that would be most of them. | 06:58 |
| JayDugger | (Oh, and put Zebrowski and Pellegrino back to writing SF.) | 06:58 |
| kanzure | by worldbuilding i meant non-plotline, sorry. | 06:59 |
| JayDugger | Do you mean something as informal as the thousand HP Lovecraft homages, pastiches, and now-a-days revisions? | 06:59 |
| JayDugger | I think Ken Burnside had a project like that, 5-10 years ago...they had a bitbucket repository, IIRC. | 07:00 |
| c0rw1n | kanzure: there's the Warhammer40K books | 07:00 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, that fits too, but I don't think that's what he meant. | 07:00 |
| kanzure | the larger franchises are usually connected to some central story, rather than smply ensuring an average level of quality that doesn't make you want to rip your eyes out | 07:01 |
| c0rw1n | they enforce sooome consistency.. and the Heresy series (what i've read of it) doesn't descend into real terribleness imo | 07:01 |
| c0rw1n | ( there are really trbl 40K novels outside of that , admitted ) | 07:03 |
| JayDugger | Do you mean a collaborative project like Orion's Arm, but you know, that doesn't collapse? | 07:05 |
| kanzure | short stories from orion's arm were of suspicious quality most of the time | 07:07 |
| c0rw1n | Ooo also : Optimalverse | 07:07 |
| kanzure | if this is ponyfic i am going to kill you | 07:08 |
| c0rw1n | ._. | 07:08 |
| kanzure | ah shit | 07:08 |
| Betawolf | c0rw1n: even the heresy series has some seriously questionable writing. I noticed I developed different standards for 40k writing than other scifi, where 40k stuff that was at all well-written was a refreshing surprise | 07:08 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: yep probably something with ghostwriters or whatever | 07:09 |
| c0rw1n | Betawolf: admitted, i'm rather easily amused ... | 07:09 |
| Betawolf | c0rw1n: I love the world and concept, hate most of the actual writing. | 07:10 |
| c0rw1n | yeah, most black library authors horribly mishandle 40k... as for writing, um, past "this doesn't bore me" and "wow i like this a lot", i don't really have a quality scale | 07:13 |
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| JayDugger | I like the horror anthologies from Japan that Kurodahan Press translated, but I haven't read any of their SF releases. | 07:18 |
| JayDugger | They have something against ebook releases, licensing, I think. | 07:19 |
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| heath | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEDrMriKsFM | 11:17 |
| yoleaux | Flyboard® Air Test 1 - YouTube | 11:17 |
| heath | .title http://www.stencyl.com/ | 11:17 |
| yoleaux | Stencyl: Make iPhone, iPad, Android & Flash Games without code | 11:17 |
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| maaku | I hope the flyboard people are pursuing military contracts. That has huge potential for urban firefight resupply and medical evac | 11:31 |
| maaku | could make them a lot of money | 11:31 |
| kanzure | pfft fire departments don't have money | 11:32 |
| maaku | firefight = guns | 11:32 |
| maaku | ammo resupply, or specialist weapon (e.g. anti-tank) delivery | 11:33 |
| nmz787_i | that is sweet | 11:39 |
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| nmz787_i | until it runs out of fuel and you fall | 11:42 |
| maaku | nmz787_i: you use refueling goblin gliders, obvs. | 11:47 |
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| nmz787_i | hmm, the Jeol NEOSCOPE is $123,250 with EDS (xray detection) | 12:12 |
| nmz787_i | $79k without it | 12:12 |
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| archels_ | "[...] the value in the hammer-nail dichotomy is that you've already got the hammer sitting there, so being able to transform problems into nails becomes valuable even if it's not the optimal solution. You can always optimize it later." | 14:14 |
| kanzure | and then you end up with lots of hammers and nails when all you wanted was lunch | 14:16 |
| archels_ | well, so long as they're all convex, you're a go | 14:32 |
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