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| JayDugger | maaku, catern | 04:17 |
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| JayDugger | http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/state-law-recording | 04:17 |
| JayDugger | Useless outside USA. | 04:18 |
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| kanzure | maaku: minor nit about "It is not trust in Canonical itself that is the problem, but the constant threat of coercion it puts on both the organization and the people that compromise it." | 07:25 |
| kanzure | maaku: s/compromise/comprise/ | 07:25 |
| kanzure | compromise (in the security sense) is topical but i think you are more worried about threat of coercion against anyone comprising that group, rather than simply the threat of coercion against attackers :) | 07:26 |
| kanzure | "Ancient heritage of water ice in the solar system" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.7398.pdf | 07:29 |
| cluckj | it's missing a large source of water ice in the solar system: http://www.ritasice.com/ | 07:36 |
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| kanzure | "High-precision secure computation of satellite collision probabilities" http://eprint.iacr.org/2016/319 http://eprint.iacr.org/2016/319.pdf | 08:18 |
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| maaku | JayDugger: i posted a link to that above | 08:35 |
| maaku | kanzure: gah, edit window has expired | 08:37 |
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| abetusk | nmz787_i, when exporting, it gives a gcode file for isolation milling. Wait, why do you need to produce gcode for etching boards? | 08:58 |
| abetusk | anyway, no need to use MeowCAD if you have the Gerbers. You can use pcb2gcode I think (https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcb2gcode/) or the tool that I made which MeowCAD uses to produce the isolation paths called gbl2ngc (https://github.com/abetusk/gbl2ngc) | 09:02 |
| abetusk | but if you're etching, all you need to do is print on a transparency to expose the photoresist | 09:03 |
| JayDugger | maaku, I thought it looked familiar. How soon I forgot its source. | 09:18 |
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| streety | how much of a challenge is it to figure out the orbit of all satellites? | 09:59 |
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| dwefewin | what do you mean by figure out? | 10:19 |
| dwefewin | most satellites have known and tracked orbits | 10:20 |
| dwefewin | it's more a matter of collating the info | 10:20 |
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| dwefewin | http://www.n2yo.com/ | 10:21 |
| chris_99 | neat | 10:22 |
| dwefewin | I would expect this to have some amount of error, and probably not include most military satellites | 10:24 |
| streety | I was referring to the link posted by kanzure in which secure computation was suggested as a solution to satellite operators apparently keeping their satellite trajectories secret | 10:25 |
| streety | I was wondering just how secret they can be | 10:25 |
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| chris_99 | good question, this says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_%28satellite%29 'Misty is reported to have optical and radar stealth characteristics' | 10:28 |
| chris_99 | Vantablack sounds interesting | 10:29 |
| streety | military satellites make sense as being difficult to track | 10:31 |
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| xentrac_ | nmz787: actually I hadn't seen FlatCAM, thanks! | 11:13 |
| xentrac_ | nmz787: I'm dubious of the statement "PCB milling is the fastest, cleanest, high-performance and economical PCB prototyping process today" | 11:14 |
| xentrac_ | it seems to me like at some circuit complexity, toner transfer is going to be cheaper and faster | 11:15 |
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| abetusk | etching involves lots of nasty chemicals. Personally, I think laser vaporization methods are the best way to go but getting a laser to do that seems difficult | 11:31 |
| abetusk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhH05jNyjCk | 11:32 |
| abetusk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzmjGz0_joM | 11:33 |
| chris_99 | that doesn't look cheap though | 11:33 |
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| xentrac_ | (a) etching *can* involve nasty chemicals, but copper oxide is a reasonable alternative to them; (b) even if it were true, that would justify "fastest, cleanest, high[est]-performance, *OR* [most] economical", not "and" | 11:33 |
| xentrac_ | I mean, sure, that would make it cleanest, but it still wouldn't keep toner transfer from being cheaper and faster in high-complexity cases | 11:34 |
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| abetusk | isolation routing is fast, clean, high-performance (as much as etching) and econimical. Assuming the laser could get cheap enough, then even more so with lasers | 11:36 |
| xentrac_ | by "routing" you mean cutting the copper with a router, as in the woodworking tool? | 11:37 |
| chris_99 | can't do vias though abetusk | 11:37 |
| xentrac_ | (also, the typical "nasty" chemical is just ferric chloride, which is not really in the same ballpark as e.g. sodium cyanide) | 11:37 |
| abetusk | yeah, vias are a problem. You can do metal 'plugs' but yes, it's a hack | 11:37 |
| chris_99 | mm | 11:37 |
| abetusk | ferric chloride is nasty enough that I don't want to mess around with it on a day to day basis | 11:37 |
| xentrac_ | that's perfectly understandable and reasonable, and why many people have switched to air-regenerated copper chloride | 11:38 |
| xentrac_ | uh, copper oxide | 11:38 |
| * xentrac_ checks | 11:38 | |
| abetusk | cupric chloride? | 11:39 |
| xentrac_ | yes, copper chloride (which cycles between cupric and cuprous chloride during the process) | 11:40 |
| xentrac_ | it's still not nontoxic but it's safer than, say, bleach | 11:41 |
| xentrac_ | it seems to me that anything that involves a single cutting tool moving around your workpiece removing one spot of metal at a time is going to be slower than etching in the limit of high circuit complexity | 11:42 |
| xentrac_ | because twice as many wires means twice as many things to cut around, but doesn't slow down etching | 11:43 |
| abetusk | Isolation routing only routes the necessary parts that need to be isolated. No need to take off whole portions of copper if there isn't a need to. Also, plated through hole still requires an extra step | 11:44 |
| xentrac_ | where exactly does that crossover happen? I'd think pretty early on | 11:44 |
| abetusk | We're talking low batch prototyping. So, at a minimum, you're talking single or double sided boards | 11:45 |
| abetusk | How big if a board do you trust to do the toner transfer method with? You're right that it'll get slower the more surface area but it seems like it's of minimal concern. Speed for either is on the order of minutes, maybe even on the order of an hour | 11:47 |
| abetusk | oh right, lpkf has a solution for the plated through hole...you put saran wrap over the board, drill a hole through, squigy whatever proprietary thing they have, take off the saran wrap then bake it | 11:49 |
| abetusk | or something like that. So it's a 'plug' but you squigee it in and bake it instead of flattening a piece of metal at either end | 11:49 |
| abetusk | again, meant for rapid prototyping, not mass manufacture. Either method is sure to have unacceptable errors for mass production | 11:50 |
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| abetusk | http://www.lpkf.com/products/rapid-pcb-prototyping/through-hole-plating/chemical-free/index.htm | 11:55 |
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| maaku | streety: spy satellites are the issue. they try *very* hard to have unknown trajectories, using optical and radar stealth | 12:04 |
| maaku | they also carry quite a bit of fuel to change their orbits to get new passover times whenever the enemy figures out when they're overhead | 12:05 |
| maaku | this would let two adversaries make sure their spy sattelites don't collide, without revealing their trajectories | 12:05 |
| streety | yeah, presumably the issue is not so much commercial operators but multiple governments with spy satellites | 12:06 |
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| kanzure | "Far more interesting is why a chihuahua with a walnut-sized brain is just as smart as an irish wolfhound that has a brain that masses about as much as a whole chihuahua" | 13:23 |
| kanzure | er, i was told this was not true though... hrm. | 13:23 |
| hylleddin | If they're anything like russian wolfhounds they should be one of the smarter breeds (though not necessarily the most trainable) | 13:24 |
| kanzure | http://bioviva-science.com/2016/04/21/first-gene-therapy-successful-against-human-aging/ | 13:36 |
| kanzure | "In March 2016, the same tests were taken again by SpectraCell revealed that her telomeres had lengthened from 6.71kb to 7.33kb" | 13:36 |
| kanzure | "Earlier this month BioViva became a portfolio company of Deep Knowledge Life Sciences (DKLS), a London-based investment fund" | 13:37 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: sup | 13:37 |
| yashgaroth | yeah she had some tests done, not that I trust telomere length assays; more interested in pre- and post-exposure levels of AAV-neutalizing antibodies, but we'll see | 13:38 |
| kanzure | why the urge to post on her site saying "20 years younger"? i thought you fixed her desire to bullshit.. | 13:39 |
| kanzure | scientific communication can be very open to this, but not if she's going around saying "20 YEARS YOUTH POTION" | 13:40 |
| yashgaroth | I don't know if she writes the press releases, but yeah...whatever gets them millions of dollars | 13:41 |
| yashgaroth | I assume the "20 years" figure is from the testing lab, and at least they say it's just white blood cells | 13:41 |
| yashgaroth | ah yes it's written by some dude from one of the "foundations" | 13:43 |
| maaku | kanzure what does smart mean here? Maybe the Chihuahua has less sensory perception | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i don't know, maybe i am remembering random bullshit told to me by dog people (who each have their own biases and preferences for favorite breeds) | 13:49 |
| kanzure | tiny brains == less scanning | 13:50 |
| maaku | Also neuron size is different between organisms | 13:58 |
| maaku | Hard to compare apples to apples. | 13:58 |
| kanzure | ehh. dogs are dogs. | 14:03 |
| streety | reminds me of http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/11/30/how-fairy-wasps-cope-with-being-smaller-than-amoebas/ | 14:12 |
| kanzure | how about "amoebas are lazy overbearing space eaters and they don't have good reasons to be so large"? | 14:13 |
| streety | thinking more of dogs are dogs versus wasps are wasps. Significant variation is possible. | 14:14 |
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| kanzure | over the past 10-20k years? perhaps... | 14:16 |
| kanzure | but the variation between monkey brain and human brain is quite limited. | 14:16 |
| kanzure | i dunno how old the breed is | 14:17 |
| streety | sure, there are limits on how great the differences can be. Probably still quite significant though | 14:18 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432806001227 | 14:24 |
| yoleaux | Increased volume and neuronal number of the basolateral nuclear group of the amygdaloid body in aggressive dogs | 14:24 |
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| kanzure | .title http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1740-8261.2001.tb00960.x/abstract | 14:47 |
| yoleaux | COMPARATIVE EVALUATION OF THE VENTRICLES IN THE YORKSHIRE TERRIER AND THE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG USING LOW-FIELD MRI - Esteve-Ratsch - 2005 - Veterinary Radiology & Ultrasound - Wiley Online Library | 14:47 |
| kanzure | https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zbigniew_Adamiak/publication/264958058_Hydrocephalus_in_dogs_a_review/links/53f763280cf24ddba7d5f6f7.pdf | 14:48 |
| kanzure | .title http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02192869 | 14:56 |
| yoleaux | Fallacies of progression in theories of brain-size evolution - Springer | 14:56 |
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| nmz787 | abetusk: I am etching with laser CNC etcher, in order to prove concept for microfluidics (and also to scratch my itch for quicker PCB turnaround time) | 14:58 |
| kanzure | i am pretty sure nobodby has been checking comparative neuroanatomy of dog brain cells.... otherwise i would expect relevant results to be easier to find. | 15:00 |
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| abetusk | nmz787, I see. Well, considering you're basically doing a raster scan, I'm not sure gbl2ngc is so appropriate but it might work if finessed properly | 16:04 |
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| kanzure | "CRISPR "doesn't do editing, it does what I call vandalism" - george | 19:42 |
| kanzure | weird, "george church street art" doesn't return any positive hits on google image search :| | 19:44 |
| kanzure | this will have to do as an alternative in the mean time https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/The_Pirate_Bay_in_Makarska%2C_Croatia.jpg | 19:45 |
| maaku | kanzure we should find a transhumanist Street art movement | 19:59 |
| maaku | *fund | 19:59 |
| kanzure | alright | 20:00 |
| kanzure | don't be alarmed if your likeness starts spontaneously showing up on strange streets in brazil or something | 20:01 |
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| nmz787 | abetusk: why would I want to raster though? I don't need to | 20:35 |
| nmz787 | abetusk: depending on the type of photoresist, i might need to invert things, which could require rastering I guess | 20:43 |
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| maaku | I was thinking some thing more abstract. Mix of tech influence and the concept of "transcend" | 21:14 |
| maaku | A cypherpunk banksy | 21:16 |
| kanzure | maaku: http://dpi.studioxx.org/sites/dpi.1.sxx.kommun-it.org/files/dpi22_diybio-revolution-poster.jpg | 21:16 |
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| maaku | Love it | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | abetusk so I guess the resist i currently have is (if still good) a harded-on-exposure type, so yeah I would need to invert and raster | 21:52 |
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