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* nmz787_ up way too late, but attempting to expose photoresist on copper-clad PCB material with laser etcher! | 04:58 | |
chris_99 | using a UV laser? | 04:59 |
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nmz787_ | spin-coated the ebay photoresist on a microscope-slide-sized piece of double sided copper-clad board, but then when I came to check the ebay-photoresist listing instructions, i saw they said to dilute it 1:3 | 04:59 |
nmz787_ | I was prepared for the dilution, but figured I'd try anyway | 05:00 |
nmz787_ | chris_99: yep! | 05:00 |
nmz787_ | 405nm | 05:00 |
chris_99 | cool :) | 05:00 |
nmz787_ | first time I lasered with power way too high | 05:00 |
nmz787_ | had a bit of unused space, just got done with second pass | 05:00 |
nmz787_ | brb | 05:00 |
nmz787_ | hrmm | 05:16 |
nmz787_ | abetusk: any way you could think to add an 'invert' mode? where the raster/infill happens in the traces? | 05:17 |
nmz787_ | seems the photoresist is the opposite of what I expected | 05:17 |
nmz787_ | http://imgur.com/a/mQbYA | 05:20 |
nmz787_ | the all-blue one is the full-power first-try | 05:21 |
nmz787_ | but since the smoothed-PWM is driving a darlington cascade, the 0 to 1000 PWM setting doesn't show a linear brightness response :( | 05:22 |
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architectofdisor | hey | 05:24 |
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architectofdisor | what is this channel about? | 05:24 |
architectofdisor | i'd like someone to expand upon the description above | 05:25 |
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chris_99 | heh | 05:26 |
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nmz787_ | here's what the kicad view looked like: http://imgur.com/JzuUPUg | 05:48 |
JayDugger | Man, disor's architect gave up easy. | 05:56 |
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chris_99 | heh this looks cool - https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyra/ | 06:20 |
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streety | from that pyra link - "For even more features, you can get the 4G version. Besides mobile internet (and turning the Pyra into some sort of telephone), it adds GPS, a 6-axis digital compass, a pressure, humidity and gas sensor as well as a Barometer and Hygrometer." What's the difference between a humidity sensor and a hygrometer, or a pressure sensor and a barometer? | 07:34 |
streety | replacement parts being available is something you don't see very often | 07:35 |
chris_99 | yeah, i liked the fact they're using a board for the cpu etc. | 07:37 |
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chris_99 | Don't spose anyones ever used MODBUS on MCUs? | 09:25 |
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abetusk | nmz787_, --invertfill flag added, caveat emptor, https://github.com/abetusk/gbl2ngc. I also added a fill radius flag (-F), separate from the radius flag so you can have bounds for the outline match the gerber but still be able to fill. | 10:58 |
abetusk | Let me know if you run into any troubles | 10:58 |
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FourFire | one of the more productive days in my project thus far, today, got a lot of help from #bioinformatics | 12:50 |
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nmz787_ | abetusk: sweet! i'll give it a try! thanks for super-quick turnaround time!!! | 13:09 |
abetusk | thanks for using it, you're my guinea pig (and probably the only person besides me who uses it) | 13:11 |
nmz787_ | heheh | 13:11 |
nmz787_ | I'm always happy when I get software features that I didn't have to wait years and years for, and also didn't have to write myself | 13:12 |
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nmz787_ | damn, my library logins have expired, and sci-hub doesn't seem to be working | 13:32 |
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nmz787_ | abetusk: hmm, so with --invertfill alone I don't see any infill... but with that /and/ -H I see the whole entire area rastered along with the vectors... using invert + Zen yields a file that is 6.2MB and seems to be stuck in a loop or something! here's the gerber https://paste.pound-python.org/show/Yw4FO445QhaJ82wHBDIN/ | 13:45 |
nmz787_ | ran with ../../gbl2ngc/src/gbl2ngc -r 0.05 -f 380 -M --invertfill -i head-F.Cu.gbr -o cu_inverted.g | 13:46 |
nmz787_ | and additionally the -H or -G | 13:46 |
abetusk | ok, let me take a look | 13:46 |
nmz787_ | I can't tell if with the -V or -H maybe this visualizer is showing the paths where the Z has been raised | 13:47 |
nmz787_ | but it didn't look that way with noninvert and raster | 13:47 |
nmz787_ | seems like it might be a loop index problem... like with the -H the loop is allowed to process the infill, but without the -H the loop for infill doesn't start | 13:49 |
nmz787_ | just my guess | 13:49 |
nmz787_ | didn't check code | 13:49 |
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nmz787_ | abetusk: damn, I have no idea how this Clipper library works | 15:10 |
abetusk | I have a command line tool if you want to play with it: https://github.com/abetusk/clipcli | 15:11 |
nmz787_ | i just got the 30 day trial of JetBrains cLion IDE | 15:11 |
nmz787_ | I can ctrl-click on class types and such to hyperlink to the source | 15:12 |
nmz787_ | but can't figure out the cmake file | 15:12 |
nmz787_ | tried this https://paste.pound-python.org/show/iqQfU1OgqVaJ7TlCzxFq/ | 15:12 |
nmz787_ | but I have always had a hard time with cmake since I only use it once every two years | 15:13 |
abetusk | What are you trying to do? | 15:13 |
nmz787_ | just get the cmp.sh to be setup in this IDE for building | 15:13 |
nmz787_ | then I assume I can step through the code with breakpoints | 15:14 |
nmz787_ | ;) | 15:14 |
abetusk | The code is going to get complicated. There are a few assumptions I make | 15:14 |
abetusk | I'm working through them now... | 15:14 |
nmz787_ | ah | 15:14 |
abetusk | but of course, you're welcome to do that. I don't think it's a simple fix though | 15:14 |
nmz787_ | I tried some hacky stuff but nothing interesting | 15:15 |
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abetusk | nmz787, ok, this will require some more attention but for the time being I added a 'simple-infill' option that you can use with horizontal or vertical infill patterns (-H or -V). | 16:34 |
abetusk | There's no offsetting allowed and you have to specify a 'fillradius' (-F). I hope that's good enough for you to proceed, assuming you're not fed up with using gbl2ngc by now | 16:35 |
abetusk | It also traces a contour of the path in addition to the infill | 16:36 |
abetusk | anyway, if you do use it and run into problems, please let me know | 16:36 |
abetusk | Also, can I add your gerber file as an example/test to the project? | 16:36 |
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abetusk | nmz787_, ^-- | 16:43 |
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nmz787_ | abetusk: I will check it out now! yeah you can add that gerber as a test... if you want a descriptive name, it is a photodiode and mosfet | 20:27 |
nmz787_ | not sure what you mean by 'no offsetting' | 20:27 |
nmz787_ | you mean the raster will overlap with the vector? | 20:28 |
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abetusk | the raster already overlapped. The offsetting is the '-r' option. It takes into account the tool radius (or "kerf" I guess?) by tracing out the tool path slightly off center from what the gerber line says | 20:31 |
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nmz787_ | ah | 20:35 |
nmz787_ | so you're saying that doesn't happen anymore? | 20:35 |
nmz787_ | even for the initial non-infill vectors? | 20:36 |
nmz787_ | (since I saw that the infill was actually vectors) | 20:36 |
nmz787_ | also, I wonder if using g-code arc primitives would yield better corner performance. On my machine turns seems to take longer, but I can't tell if that is false impression on my part, since maybe the motors sound slower but are both working | 20:37 |
nmz787_ | and the corners seemed to get a bit more beam power, since I thought I saw smoke/vapor on the turns | 20:38 |
nmz787_ | (on the too-high full-power setting I first tried) | 20:38 |
nmz787_ | abetusk: also, this cmake file works for me to get JetBrains cLion IDE up and working, with breakpoints! https://paste.pound-python.org/show/H16tj605DT0z0G7DCr8O/ | 20:40 |
nmz787_ | not sure how it would be used outside this IDE | 20:41 |
nmz787_ | I can see all the vectors! | 20:41 |
nmz787_ | they say open-source project devs can get free full use of it | 20:42 |
abetusk | nmz787_, for the 'simple-infill' function, yes, you can't do offset. I'll hopefully get to this in the future but for right now that's how it is | 20:51 |
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abetusk | In terms of corners, I'm not sure. Arcs might be better but they're harder to implement. Linearizing everything is much easier. But it means that arcs will be made of many g-code lines, potentially. This means that it's slower on the corners because the g-code interpreter's buffer might max out and slow down the trace but I don't quite see how it would make it higher power | 20:53 |
nmz787_ | abetusk: ah, one thing, I see you didn't reverse the paths for simple-infill | 20:53 |
nmz787_ | so the vector happens second | 20:53 |
abetusk | I do a trace of the contour in addition to the infill. Do you see one side as being darker than the other? | 20:53 |
abetusk | I just do the vector trace at the end. Is that a problem? | 20:54 |
nmz787_ | I think at this point, I could just cut the vectors from a non infill, then use the rasters from the simple infill file | 20:54 |
nmz787_ | well I knew the prev infill (i.e. -H) did the vector first, and thought it was kinda nice | 20:55 |
nmz787_ | :) | 20:55 |
nmz787_ | I was thinking it might make the edges nicer to begin with, then maybe it would contain the raster better in terms of fabrication (at least since it is photoresist i'm dealing with) | 20:56 |
nmz787_ | kind of harden a hill/berm | 20:56 |
abetusk | I see | 20:58 |
abetusk | The problem is I can see it the other way. Not sure what the general solution is. Or even if it's worth just not doing it the way someone wants... | 20:59 |
nmz787_ | I manually reversed it with cut and paste for now ;) | 21:00 |
nmz787_ | maybe just add a comment | 21:01 |
nmz787_ | 'starting isolation routing' | 21:01 |
nmz787_ | 'done isolation routing' | 21:01 |
nmz787_ | then I can parse that and place it first | 21:01 |
abetusk | nmz787_, can you compile and run gbl2ngc? | 21:03 |
nmz787_ | yeah | 21:04 |
nmz787_ | I have it debugging now | 21:04 |
nmz787_ | I mean paused in the debugger | 21:05 |
nmz787_ | not that I need to debug now that you fixed that infill | 21:05 |
nmz787_ | I might be able to do the reversal myself in the code though | 21:05 |
abetusk | https://github.com/abetusk/gbl2ngc/blob/release/src/gbl2ngc.cpp#L546 | 21:05 |
nmz787_ | since I saw you do that somewhere | 21:05 |
nmz787_ | oh, just swap start and end? | 21:06 |
nmz787_ | I mean src.begin and src.end | 21:06 |
abetusk | That's where I put the points in the outline into the 'dst' structure. If you want to change your local copy, put that line at the beginning of the function. Better yet, if you find a decent way of flagging that start and end position and put the comments in when it gets rendered into g-code, put in a pull request and I'll accept it | 21:07 |
abetusk | I'm not sure the insert works that way. You could copy it to another Path (or Paths?) then reverse it, then insert it | 21:08 |
abetusk | The Path/Paths are std::vectors of some ClipperLib structure or Path vectors respectively | 21:08 |
nmz787_ | ok, I will take a look. I was thinking of taking my post-processing script and g-code sending script and incorporating it into a wxPython GUI too... which I was going to also have optionally call gbl2gnc | 21:08 |
nmz787_ | as well as some remote execution features | 21:09 |
nmz787_ | OK, well I have a 30 day free trial of this debugger, so I will be able to figure things out now | 21:10 |
nmz787_ | the ctrl-clicking on typedefs to jump to class defs is really nice for figuring out what things are | 21:10 |
nmz787_ | but I think things are working for me to try another run at photoresist on this pcb | 21:11 |
abetusk | hm...I would suggest eclipse, atom or vim as a text editor/IDE instead of using something proprietary | 21:11 |
nmz787_ | eh, I really hate eclipse because I was unable to get color schemes setup correctly or something | 21:13 |
nmz787_ | if it is as easy as using that makefile in eclipse, then I would consider it | 21:13 |
abetusk | Please feel free to add the makefile stuff to gbl2ngc | 21:15 |
nmz787_ | ok | 21:29 |
nmz787_ | will probably take me a few days | 21:29 |
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maaku | catern: I am considering vastly expanding the scope of this project to be an entire personal information management system | 22:03 |
maaku | paradoxically because I think this could get other people to work on it for free :P | 22:03 |
maaku | basically use deep learning for speech-to-text, with Android and iOS integration. | 22:05 |
maaku | there's probably pent-up demand for an open-source Siri / Google Now that lets you own your own data, and I could get people on #machinelearning to contribute for free :) | 22:06 |
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catern | oh yeah you pinged me about https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ripplebuds-world-s-1st-noise-blocking-earbuds#/ a few days ago | 23:48 |
catern | i guess that would capture one's own voice well enough | 23:49 |
catern | hmm... i suppose one could wear a bluetooth headset all the time | 23:49 |
catern | maaku: by personal information management system, hopefully you don't mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_information_manager (calendar application) | 23:52 |
catern | maaku: presumably you mean a system for collecting quantified self data about yourself | 23:52 |
catern | actually, surely that is just "a database" | 23:52 |
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