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kanzure | so it looks like murgen did not make its own probes. doing probe work seems like it could be useful even if it's a single piezo at first. | 05:14 |
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kanzure | "The attention schema theory: a mechanistic account of subjective awareness" http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.00500/full | 06:20 |
kanzure | seems familiar | 06:22 |
kanzure | oh same author was referenced in http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4010745/ this is why it seems familiar. | 06:23 |
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kanzure | "This is not a place of honor" http://www.wipp.energy.gov/picsprog/articles/wipp%20exhibit%20message%20to%2012,000%20a_d.htm | 06:32 |
kanzure | they should use statues of humans grabbing their stomachs and puking, and depictions of hair loss and tumors | 06:35 |
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kanzure | "Another thing not mentioned is to design the container so that anyone who plans to excavate will think they have hit rock bottom... like Pharoahs' tombs or a multi-level pirate cache." | 06:37 |
kanzure | "Or even better, put something horrible and poisonous twenty feet down. It might be better to obviously poison a couple people if they start digging this up. That would be easily understood and eventually avoided." | 06:38 |
kanzure | ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11851871 ) | 06:38 |
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fenn_ | they should bury the waste inside a fast reactor | 07:20 |
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kanzure | plz look at ultrasound imaging things from yesteday at some point | 07:29 |
kanzure | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xvLWDbp0x6z0Ft3AsfxjIsLUNsg5smkTcYb1g4WVo5U/edit | 07:30 |
kanzure | https://github.com/kelu124/murgen-dev-kit | 07:30 |
JayDugger | May I make "The Daemon from Neckbeard Island" joke now? | 07:45 |
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nmz787_i | how is the code monkeying this morning? | 09:20 |
kanzure | http://www.mas.gov.sg/~/media/MAS/News%20and%20Publications/Consultation%20Papers/Consultation%20Paper%20on%20FinTech%20Regulatory%20Sandbox%20Guidelines.pdf | 09:21 |
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chris_99 | nmz787_i, just having a look through my pdfs to see if i can find the one re. harddisks and MFM microscopy | 09:57 |
kanzure | "in my opinion the bottleneck in DNA synth is chemistry not engineering. Photo liable nucleotides mean you can dispense with the piezoelectric print head and use a projector system instead. but unless you can find somewhere to buy them or you can synthesise them easily yourself I'd say the chemical difficulty involved wouldn't justify the effort." | 10:12 |
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chris_99 | nmz787_i, 'Data Reconstruction from a Hard Disk Drive using Magnetic Force Microscopy' not sure if that was the one i was originally thinking of though | 10:20 |
FourFire | kanzure, what is known of the neural structures which react to music? | 10:24 |
FourFire | I vaguely recall reading somewhere that current theories are pattern recognition looping over itself | 10:25 |
nmz787_i | hmm | 10:38 |
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kanzure | FourFire: current neuroscience believes that the human brain reacts to music using a homunculus that screams in agony every time you listen to music | 10:50 |
kanzure | these screams interfere with brain waves to produce reactions in the motor system | 10:50 |
cluckj | that is the best explanation I have heard about neuroscience in a long, long time | 10:51 |
FourFire | kanzure, huh, so that's why it feels like dying whenever my brain get's caugt by some piece of "Art" | 10:51 |
kanzure | that's more accurately called confusion | 10:52 |
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TMA | speaking of neural structures -- current deep learning neural networks are based on visual cortex topology (IIRC) is the connectome in other brain areas (say those relevant to speech) known in enough detail to be amenable to a similar topology pilfering? | 11:03 |
maaku | TMA: visual cortex is not recurrent | 11:06 |
maaku | TMA: CNNs are basically analogues to the visual or auditory cortex | 11:07 |
maaku | TMA: RNNs (an active area of deep learning research) are much more general | 11:07 |
maaku | whether it maps to how our brains happen to be structured I don't know; I don't think that's relevant :P | 11:08 |
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xentrac_ | well, certainly our brains are recurrent. whether they're similar to "RNNs" is a different question | 12:16 |
xentrac_ | on the subway I saw an ad for some new cellphone with a 13-megapixel camera | 12:17 |
pasky | i want cellphone which makes sharp pictures, not hi-res pictures | 12:18 |
xentrac_ | a little back-of-the-envelope math suggests that the pixel pitch on its sensor can't be much coarser than 3μm, which means that it's an adequate 85× microscope by itself (like http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/uoc--bht091008.php) | 12:19 |
xentrac_ | with a fairly simple lens (focusing from a sample at 1mm to a focal plane sensor at 4mm, say) you should be able to get 300× | 12:20 |
xentrac_ | perhaps more excitingly, if you can get rolling-shutter photos out of the chip at reasonably low latency, you should be able to get low-latency submicron positioning feedback for manipulators, eliminating the necessity for enormous stiffness to get micron-level positioning | 12:22 |
xentrac_ | presumably Applied Materials and the like are already doing this kind of thing? Or better? | 12:23 |
pasky | maaku: I think CNN as an analogue to auditory cortex is stretching it | 12:23 |
pasky | or auditory cortex architecture is surprising | 12:23 |
pasky | but i think you can't have too lateral convolutions there | 12:23 |
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nmz787_i | kanzure: so my FIB-operator buddy thinks the metalenses are not just diffraction, or maybe not even diffraction at all... but he thinks it may have something to do with reflection... where the nanofins act as small waveguides themselves. or act as small reflectors... almost like how a fresnel lense works | 13:14 |
kanzure | what happened to refraction | 13:14 |
nmz787_i | at the same time, he said I'm free to try fabbing some prototypes whenever I want | 13:14 |
nmz787_i | refraction is for media-change mostly... slightly different than reflection or diffraction | 13:15 |
nmz787_i | but if the fins are transporting photons, then they'd seem to be acting as refractors | 13:15 |
nmz787_i | I kind of think it might be all of the above, working in tandem | 13:15 |
nmz787_i | a first-try at my buddy's place would be to make the fins in silicon, then drop some hot plastic on that to take a casting | 13:16 |
xentrac_ | diffraction, refraction, and reflection aren't really different phenomena; they blend into each other at the edges | 13:16 |
nmz787_i | the fins in that case would be impressions in clear plastic, so they'd still be a different media (air vs plastic) and would be much much shorter | 13:16 |
nmz787_i | xentrac_: yeah, which is why I'm thinking these metalenses are some combo effect of them all | 13:17 |
nmz787_i | that said, I feel like if that is right, then making a rigged-up version might yield similar but less efficient results | 13:17 |
nmz787_i | which could still be super interesting, since we have high brightness lasers available for cheap | 13:18 |
xentrac_ | what are the cheap high-brightness lasers? | 13:19 |
nmz787_i | just the stuff at the dollar-stores or gas/petrol stations | 13:19 |
xentrac_ | oh, barcode scanners? | 13:20 |
xentrac_ | or laser pointers? | 13:20 |
nmz787_i | not a huge spot, so overall low power, but for that spot size they're much brighter than common flashlights and other light sources one might use for viewing things through lenses | 13:20 |
xentrac_ | I think I am lacking cultural context here | 13:21 |
nmz787_i | laser pointers | 13:21 |
nmz787_i | here (red) laser pointers are like $1 each | 13:21 |
xentrac_ | (I mean you could argue that refraction and reflection exist in geometrical optics, while diffraction doesn't, but the way that refraction and reflection happen in physical materials is through wave mechanics) | 13:21 |
xentrac_ | 1mW red laser pointers? | 13:21 |
xentrac_ | I think they cost about the same here | 13:21 |
nmz787_i | ok then, similar enough culture of cheap silicon | 13:22 |
xentrac_ | or indium gallium arsenide, as the case may be | 13:22 |
xentrac_ | apparently silicon's bandgap is ill-suited to making LEDs | 13:22 |
xentrac_ | so do you mean the 1mW ones? because I thought you meant more when you said "high brightness" | 13:23 |
chris_99 | heh i'm just looking on ebay at green lasers which can light matches etc. they all seem to be classed as 1mW, that's surely not right | 13:37 |
nmz787_i | xentrac_: I just meant the $1 variety in general... that they're brighter than comparably priced flashlights or other lights of similar size (and price) | 13:46 |
nmz787_i | also in terms of things you would see with a microscope lens, if that was the metalens at hand.... a laser should be many times brighter than an average microscope light source... at least that's my gut feeling | 13:47 |
xentrac_ | I'm not sure they are brighter; I think you can probably get 100mW white flashlight LEDs for about US$1 that have comparable efficiency to semiconductor lasers | 13:47 |
nmz787_i | yeah but they mW/cm^2 may be lower | 13:48 |
xentrac_ | maybe, yaeh | 13:48 |
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xentrac_ | but maybe not | 13:48 |
xentrac_ | you could probably make a super bright light source by tiling the area underneath your microscope slide with white LEDs on a monster heatsink | 13:48 |
xentrac_ | the advantage that the lasers have is that they're more monochromatic and have very low divergence, but I'm not sure those are advantages in this context | 13:49 |
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nmz787_i | nah i was just letting my head-thoughts out | 13:57 |
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fenn | "Tempted to try this [ultrasound] with an array of X5R capacitors. I’ve had them squeak at me many times when a regulator goes unstable." | 16:01 |
kanzure | since murgen wasn't doing any work with probes it seems reasonable to move forward, right | 16:05 |
fenn | a single board design with just electronic commodity components could be really cheap | 16:12 |
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xentrac_ | fenn: X5R capacitors are the same thing as PZT piezoelectric actuators, right? | 16:33 |
xentrac_ | well, I mean they're a subset | 16:35 |
fenn | apparently X5R is just a classification for temperature range and stability with temperature range | 16:40 |
fenn | "All class 2 ceramic capacitors using ferroelectric ceramics exhibit piezoelectricity" | 16:41 |
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fenn | "Class 2 capacitors are made of ferroelectric materials such as barium titanate (BaTiO | 16:45 |
fenn | 3) and suitable additives such as aluminium silicate, magnesium silicate and aluminium oxide." | 16:45 |
fenn | PZT is lead zirconate titanate | 16:45 |
xentrac_ | I had the impression that the particular classifications of ceramic capacitors corresponded to different dielectrics, even though they talk about the performance features of the capacitor and not its composition | 16:46 |
fenn | yes most circuit designers don't care what it's made from | 16:46 |
xentrac_ | and I thought that X5R was PZT | 16:46 |
xentrac_ | but I could be wrong | 16:46 |
fenn | i don't know | 16:46 |
xentrac_ | neither do I | 16:46 |
xentrac_ | we are unified in our ignorance | 16:47 |
xentrac_ | in other news | 16:47 |
fenn | https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234050545_Lead_Zirconium_Titanate_Alternatives_for_Nanoactuators | 16:47 |
xentrac_ | http://www.darpa.mil/program/big-mechanism | 16:47 |
fenn | they would have to be non-ROHS capacitors because of the lead | 17:01 |
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nmz787_i | kanzure: my guess is anyone or their mom can buy a probe... and no one but FDA-cartel can buy the main device | 17:12 |
nmz787_i | so I'd venture to say aim for a device that can drive/receive from any probe (software upgrades/DSP dependent), and worry about making probes next | 17:13 |
nmz787_i | from what I remember, there are like 4 or 5 different probes that an owner might want | 17:13 |
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kanzure | probe price? | 18:06 |
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kanzure | iirc probes were somewhat stupidly expensive | 18:24 |
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fenn | i think the raw piezo element was like $50 | 19:09 |
fenn | wonder how many "standards" there are with this many different probe types: http://www.providianmedical.com/ultrasound-probes/?utm_content=Ultrasound%20Probes | 19:14 |
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kanzure | the 2d array probes are definitely not $50 | 19:47 |
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