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| archels_ | "*existence* characterizes the constitutive preconditions under which something is real and factually present in the world, as an individuated entity open to possibilities and risks; *essence* defines the necessary preconditions under which something can be identified as itself, something that is what it is and does what it does." | 01:42 |
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| archels_ | why do I even read philosophy papers, I wonder sometimes | 01:42 |
| archels_ | (re mind uploading) | 01:43 |
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| kanzure | archels_: probably some form of masochism | 07:12 |
| kanzure | "NASA, in partnership with the nonprofit Methuselah Foundation’s New Organ Alliance ... Vascular Tissue Challenge offers a $500,000 prize to be divided among the first three teams that successfully create thick, metabolically-functional human vascularized organ tissue in a controlled laboratory environment" | 07:14 |
| kanzure | http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=26063973&msgid=597011&act=UV6P&c=1349553&destination=http%3A%2F%2F%2520https%3A%2F%2Fneworgan.org%2Fvtc-prize.php | 07:14 |
| kanzure | idfjdsaoifajfdoiqfq | 07:14 |
| kanzure | fuck 'em | 07:14 |
| kanzure | https://neworgan.org/vtc-prize.php | 07:14 |
| kanzure | http://www.nasa.gov/vtchallenge | 07:14 |
| kanzure | ha/eww "An introduction to BioJavaScript – a growing library of JavaScript modules to represent biological data on the web" | 07:15 |
| kanzure | june 28 in boston "single-cell genomics" conference thingy http://www.festivalofgenomicsboston.com/single-cells-genomics/ | 07:16 |
| kanzure | and the next day, "Single-cell whole transcriptome analysis of human brain stem cells", "Learnings from pooled screening and target validation using CRISPR", "The current state of the CRISPR toolbox: From libraries to effectors", "Think big, screen once: genome scale editing with high diversity libraries" | 07:18 |
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| archels_ | that canonical microcircuit paper was terrible, by the way | 07:21 |
| archels_ | we don't really know how the cortex works | 07:21 |
| archels_ | that is to say—there is a large disconnect between single-neuron and circuit-level understanding, and understanding at an abstract level such as "it's doing top-down and bottom-up integration" | 07:22 |
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| kanzure | archels_: hm? the paper was not discussing single-neuron characterization AFAIK. | 07:28 |
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| archels_ | yes, it's more about network function, and what the network might be doing ("computing"?) | 07:32 |
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| archels_ | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng | 08:26 |
| yoleaux | Introducing SpotMini - YouTube | 08:26 |
| archels_ | cutie | 08:26 |
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| kanzure | "Long-term Planning Committee for the Human Race" '...also a Kafkaesque entry' | 10:05 |
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| chris_99 | Just got my diffraction gratings today :) I'm looking into clamps that have a screw-in-base, so i could possibly screw them into metal frame | 11:19 |
| nmz787_i | i printed that labjack but it failed to open because the orientation or too much support inside | 11:23 |
| chris_99 | awh :( | 11:23 |
| nmz787_i | the screw and bolt-hole-piece worked surprisingly (after they were broken free of everything else) | 11:24 |
| nmz787_i | the threads were ugly, but it screwed (though the screw itself was hollow and splintered when I first was trying to open the jack) | 11:25 |
| nmz787_i | started printing again with different orientation and settings | 11:25 |
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| chris_99 | good luck | 11:26 |
| nmz787_i | actually I am getting different print results in this room than when I had it on my kitchen table a few weeks ago... I think it was hotter then too | 11:31 |
| nmz787_i | one side peeled up last print and this print | 11:31 |
| nmz787_i | anyone here ever play with SAT solvers? | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | blerp | 13:29 |
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| nmz787_i | skibidibeebop | 13:58 |
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| kanzure | way worse than that | 14:07 |
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| nmz787_i | https://github.com/google/or-tools/blob/master/examples/python/discrete_tomography.py | 14:18 |
| nmz787_i | steep learning curve on that ~100 lines :D | 14:19 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure: im here to nanotube ... who was working on CNT work ? | 16:34 |
| kanzure | genehacker, probably | 16:34 |
| kanzure | let me see if he's still alive | 16:34 |
| kanzure | he has been summoned | 16:35 |
| kanzure | also the various users of VASP.. | 16:36 |
| delinquentme | VASP ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Ab_initio_Simulation_Package ? | 16:37 |
| kanzure | ya | 16:38 |
| kanzure | also you can plunder my old collection http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/carbon-nanotubes/ | 16:38 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: geneh^ | 17:20 |
| kanzure | geneh: what's new/old? | 17:20 |
| delinquentme | geneh: you around? | 17:20 |
| delinquentme | nice ! | 17:20 |
| geneh | Not much | 17:20 |
| delinquentme | geneh: kanzure said you're working on some carbon nanotube stuff. | 17:20 |
| geneh | Nope | 17:20 |
| delinquentme | Im in a holding pattern right now on some of my own | 17:20 |
| geneh | I work on MOFs | 17:21 |
| delinquentme | OH. I dont even know what that is | 17:21 |
| kanzure | nope i said geneh probably knows about CNT things | 17:21 |
| delinquentme | OHHHHH | 17:21 |
| delinquentme | iz true geneh ? | 17:21 |
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| geneh | Maybe? | 17:23 |
| delinquentme | So my initial proposal to the Molecular Foundry was denied under the grounds that I was unaware of how complex actuating individual CNTs actually are | 17:25 |
| delinquentme | I think this is probably somewhat difficult ... but not actually something thats say ... *weeks* of work | 17:26 |
| delinquentme | thoughts? | 17:26 |
| xentrac | nmz787_i: I didn't know you worked for Norsam | 17:27 |
| xentrac | apparently there's a mass market: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/money/business/2013/12/06/nanorosetta-uses-tech-to-fit-entire-bible-on-pendants/3894311/ | 17:27 |
| geneh | What are you trying to do? | 17:29 |
| geneh | Also any of you know people who work at madeinspace? | 17:30 |
| kanzure | nope. should i try to fix this? | 17:31 |
| delinquentme | geneh: im trying to orient 2 CNTs co-axially with the intent of annealing them w atomic perfection | 17:32 |
| geneh | That is really really hard | 17:32 |
| delinquentme | yes i know the perfection part is worrysome but this protocol has already been proven without it ... | 17:32 |
| delinquentme | simply by *viewing them* with a sufficiently energetic / resolved SEM | 17:32 |
| geneh | Yeah that | 17:32 |
| geneh | Why? | 17:32 |
| delinquentme | also i've got liek 6 other possible protocols to try to make atomically perfect CNTs | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | geneh: if i can make pounds of the stuff i have a killer app :D | 17:33 |
| kanzure | joining? | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | government would by the shit up lik woah. | 17:33 |
| geneh | Which is? | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | under NDA on that | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | =] | 17:33 |
| kanzure | joining. | 17:33 |
| delinquentme | kanzure: what :D ? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | it's your "joining CNTs together" proposal | 17:33 |
| geneh | http://m.phys.org/news/2016-06-power-co2-emissions-carbon-nanotubes.html | 17:34 |
| geneh | So you want cheap carbon nanotubes | 17:34 |
| geneh | You want to make a space elevator | 17:35 |
| delinquentme | kanzure: what is ? The killer app ? No. | 17:35 |
| geneh | So how are you going to line them up? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | who is phenolphtalein | 17:37 |
| delinquentme | geneh: AFM | 17:37 |
| geneh | Here is what made in space is working on | 17:37 |
| geneh | https://medium.com/made-in-space/how-we-want-to-turn-asteroids-into-spacecraft-e95d3214d787#.icv7eukoq | 17:37 |
| delinquentme | it was my understanding , as well as a claim from another MolFoundry scientist that an Asylum AFM had the capacity to push individual CNTs around | 17:37 |
| geneh | That sounds incredibly time consuming | 17:38 |
| delinquentme | geneh | 17:38 |
| geneh | Oh wait really | 17:38 |
| delinquentme | all totally automateable as well. | 17:38 |
| geneh | I'm not so sure about that | 17:39 |
| geneh | I'm not so sure that you'd be able to get the precision to do that | 17:39 |
| geneh | No | 17:39 |
| geneh | And I don't think it will scale | 17:40 |
| delinquentme | geneh: my logic on it is that the shapes are very rudimentary and with the correct substrate linearization protocol | 17:40 |
| delinquentme | they'd all be of aligned and non-stacked | 17:40 |
| delinquentme | NOW. determination of width .. could be another consideration | 17:40 |
| delinquentme | and for atomic perfection that needs to be handled | 17:40 |
| geneh | What about matching chirality? | 17:41 |
| delinquentme | geneh: i have a STM on my desk that takes of 3in^3 | 17:41 |
| delinquentme | i dont buy that it wont scale | 17:41 |
| delinquentme | chirality can be sorted spectroscopically prior to linearizing | 17:41 |
| nmz787_i | xentrac: yeah, if you have potential business please send it my way | 17:42 |
| geneh | Not to mention that when nanotubes are annealled by electron beams you tend to get defects | 17:42 |
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| geneh | How much of nanotube product are you making | 17:43 |
| nmz787_i | geneh: maybe defects of some % are tolerable? | 17:43 |
| nmz787_i | just limit the strength? | 17:43 |
| delinquentme | geneh thats all depending on the power of beam | 17:46 |
| delinquentme | also! | 17:46 |
| delinquentme | geneh | 17:46 |
| delinquentme | you'd be interested to know I also submitted protocols for what I've referred to as "ironing out" of defects | 17:46 |
| delinquentme | apparently with the right catalyst one can push defects along the length of a CNT | 17:46 |
| geneh | Also on how accurately can align them | 17:46 |
| xentrac | nmz787_i: do you have a ballpark on costs? | 17:47 |
| delinquentme | so theres a possibility that if the joint has defects ... then then can be pushed away from the center | 17:47 |
| xentrac | I would have thought they'd be too high for the mass-market thing | 17:47 |
| delinquentme | geneh: piezos are sub angstrom | 17:47 |
| geneh | As long as you are continously scanning from what I understand | 17:48 |
| geneh | Also supposedly our lab group has an asylum | 17:48 |
| nmz787_i | xentrac: shop rate is $375/hr... but they are flexible with initial development talks and sometimes proof-of-concept if its quick enough | 17:49 |
| xentrac | because it's driven so many researchers insane, geneh? | 17:49 |
| xentrac | nmz787_i: is it possible to do a thing in an hour? the article I linked claimed that a Bible was four minutes | 17:49 |
| xentrac | but presumably there's like setup time or something | 17:50 |
| geneh | No an asylum microscope, they're a scope company | 17:50 |
| kanzure | oh the AFM | 17:50 |
| nmz787_i | xentrac: depends on what the starting material is, how much detail, if you need to break vacuum to change positions or etch or coat or clean, pre-processing, post-processing... | 17:51 |
| xentrac | nmz787_i: interesting | 17:52 |
| geneh | Delinquetme, manipulating stuff on the nanoscale is still very hard | 17:53 |
| geneh | Even manipulating stuff on the microscale is hard | 17:53 |
| xentrac | that's why it's so hard for me to masturbate! | 17:54 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ i know the feel man | 17:54 |
| geneh | See the whole boondoggle with 3d chips | 17:54 |
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| nmz787_i | lol | 18:07 |
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| nmz787_i | xentrac: actually I can use Norsam facilities, they have a FIB that is finicky that we recently installed a DB9 feedthrough on for me to test x-ray detectors with | 18:09 |
| nmz787_i | xentrac: we have a fume hood, sputter coaters, plasma cleaners, spin coater, optical microscopes | 18:10 |
| Kryptus_Frost | spoiled much? | 18:11 |
| Kryptus_Frost | lol | 18:11 |
| nmz787_i | Kryptus_Frost: unfortunately I lack time, and too vast and numerous projects | 18:12 |
| nmz787_i | I lack lackies | 18:12 |
| nmz787_i | lackeys | 18:12 |
| nmz787_i | subordinates? | 18:12 |
| nmz787_i | technicians | 18:12 |
| nmz787_i | partners even | 18:12 |
| Kryptus_Frost | I hear that | 18:13 |
| nmz787_i | !teammates | 18:13 |
| xentrac | nmz787_i: that sounds super awesome | 18:13 |
| xentrac | you need more robot lackeys | 18:13 |
| Kryptus_Frost | 3d printed assistants | 18:13 |
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| kanzure | "Automated design of flexible linkers for MOFs" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/chemistry/metal-organic-frameworks/Automated%20design%20of%20flexible%20linkers%20for%20MOFs%20-%20Manion%20-%202015.pdf | 18:17 |
| docl | Made in Space is awesome | 18:17 |
| CuriousCat | where are you guys doing nanofabrication? is it in a university lab? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | where ever we want | 18:19 |
| xentrac | I don't think any of us are successfully doing nanofabrication yet, CuriousCat :) | 18:19 |
| CuriousCat | ok | 18:19 |
| CuriousCat | because it would probably be very expensive to do so | 18:20 |
| CuriousCat | unless you work at a university or a corporation that does it | 18:20 |
| CuriousCat | i've heard of 'biohacker spaces' but not 'nanohacker spaces' | 18:20 |
| kanzure | the name is not important | 18:21 |
| CuriousCat | i was thinking more along the aligns of conventional mems/semiconductor processes, maybe mixed with some bottom-up processes | 18:21 |
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| nmz787_i | yay for http://labix.org/python-constraint | 18:58 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 18:58 |
| yoleaux | python-constraint - Constraint Solving Problem resolver for Python | 18:59 |
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| kanzure | "The Brain Forum 2016, held recently in EPFL Lausanne, Switzerland, welcomed 1400 visitors" | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | http://thebrainforum.org/annual-conference/the-2016-conference | 19:13 |
| kanzure | "moo-ming poo, china brain science project" | 19:14 |
| kanzure | "christof koch, allen brain institute" | 19:14 |
| kanzure | https://mcb.berkeley.edu/labs/poo/research/researchindex.htm | 19:15 |
| kanzure | "International brain projects proposed" http://science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6283/277 | 19:17 |
| kanzure | kavli foundation seems to be funding a bunch of this... | 19:17 |
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