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| maaku | real life OnOff star? http://www.sciencealert.com/we-just-got-even-weirder-results-about-the-alien-megastructure-star | 09:41 |
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| pasky | I'd like someone to make an educated guess on the prior probability of observing something like this as the very first sign of a far-away advanced alien civilization | 09:47 |
| pasky | rather than, i don't know what, this is probably a lot stronger signal than some radio transmissions etc., so if we're ever going to discover aliens, isn't something like this the most likely way? | 09:48 |
| pasky | (but do we also have a model of how (and why) the aliens would make the star flicker like this?) | 09:51 |
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| chris_99 | must be a dyson sphere, sorted ;) | 09:57 |
| yoleaux | 01:23Z <nmz787> chris_99: Cool! Let me know how it goes! Over-sampling a CCD is something that is supposed to help increase ENOB (effective number of bits) | 09:57 |
| kanzure | i think that some astrophysical phenomena is going to be masking possible large-scale megastructures | 10:01 |
| kanzure | if you are going to go to the length of constructing megastructures then you're probably going to mask it as some other type of astrophysical phenomenon | 10:02 |
| kanzure | otherwise you are annoucning yourself to the universe | 10:02 |
| kanzure | you could also try to sabotauge alien understanding of astrophysics by making clever stellar phenomena that slightly alters their models, so that they don't make certain discoveries unless those aliens are clever enough to check some of their assumptions about each observation | 10:04 |
| kanzure | or, for example, if there is a star behaving in a very interesting way that contributes to an understanding of physics, then go destroy that star as soon as possible so that others don't have an opportunity to see it later | 10:05 |
| pasky | I think threat capability and such gullibility don't overlap | 10:08 |
| kanzure | well so far we have been highly gullible (or at least, we don't seem to publish much about "hey wait is this a natural observation?") | 10:09 |
| pasky | moreover, "being able to build dyson spheres" and "being able to build dyson spheres in some crazy conditions" capabilities might be far from each other | 10:09 |
| pasky | kanzure: but also not a threat for dyson sphere civilization | 10:09 |
| kanzure | well i'm certainly such a threat :) | 10:10 |
| pasky | it's true that travel times will overshadow required development times | 10:10 |
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| kanzure | btw i highly encourage folks to download a backup of the logs today http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/ | 10:11 |
| kanzure | and http://gnusha.org/logs/hashes/ is highly encouraged as well *ahem* | 10:12 |
| chris_99 | if you've got the capability to build a dyson sphere, what makes you think they couldn't easily defend it kanzure? (they might not care if people know about it, because of that) | 10:13 |
| kanzure | defense is much more difficult than offense, in general | 10:13 |
| kanzure | a good example are crypto and software adversaries that only need to find one hole or one vulnerability to exploit and root an entire system | 10:14 |
| kanzure | and- even if you have no software involved with the dyson swarm somehow- then physical defense is also difficult, considering the large variety of attack methods | 10:15 |
| chris_99 | in general, seems a bit sweeping to me | 10:15 |
| kanzure | are you blackhat? | 10:16 |
| chris_99 | i'm talking about in the case of all things | 10:16 |
| chris_99 | not just software | 10:16 |
| chris_99 | maybe they've got large quantities of antimatter | 10:17 |
| kanzure | well physically you can just throw lots of energy and matter at a problem until the target explodes, right? | 10:17 |
| chris_99 | if the target is undefended sure | 10:20 |
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| kanzure | gpu-accelerated deep learning with cuDNN (nvidia's deep neural network library) http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2015/webinar/gtc-express-cuDNN-larry-brown.mp4 (~50 minutes?) | 10:29 |
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| maaku | pasky: this is *EXACTLY* what a far off alien civilization would look like. | 10:38 |
| maaku | but of course the priors are low because the chances of two space faring civs starting at the same time is crazy low ... but this is what it would look like | 10:39 |
| maaku | (I wonder if there are any low-magnitude brown dwarfs in the stellar neighborhood of Tabby's star? Might not be the first instance of astrophysical engineering) | 10:41 |
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| maaku | pasky: even the most noisy radio signals we make attenuate below the noise threshold at far less than that distance | 10:43 |
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| streety | what's happening with the logs? | 10:45 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f9328cff Bryan Bishop: transcript: baidu deep speech >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/baidu-deep-learning-for-speech-recognition/ | 11:48 |
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| kanzure | grr need to figure out list of todo items for polymerase paper. | 15:47 |
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| justanotheruser | I see you stopped by theano | 18:35 |
| kanzure | yes i am developing a machine learning method for the design of weapons of mass destruction | 18:41 |
| thesnark | kanzure, theano was annoyingly incomplete the last time I tried to use it | 18:44 |
| thesnark | If you want seamless gpu intergration, I'd compile octave with gpu support and you'd still have access to a bunch of ML stuff | 18:45 |
| thesnark | If you hate matlab so much that you'd just rather not, I'd also understand that | 18:45 |
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| kanzure | thesnark: using keras, which is compatible with both theano and tensorflow | 18:48 |
| thesnark | nice | 18:49 |
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| justanotheruser | thesnark: how long ago did you use it | 19:10 |
| maaku | .title http://hdbscan.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 19:14 |
| yoleaux | The hdbscan Clustering Library — hdbscan 0.8 documentation | 19:14 |
| maaku | The hdbscan library is a suite of tools to use unsupervised learning to find clusters, or dense regions, of a dataset. The primary algorithm is HDBSCAN* as proposed by Campello, Moulavi, and Sander. The library provides a high performance implementation of this algorithm, along with tools for analysing the resulting clustering. | 19:14 |
| thesnark | justanotheruser, last year | 19:14 |
| justanotheruser | what was incomplete? | 19:14 |
| maaku | dude that's like forever ago | 19:14 |
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| justanotheruser | theano is pretty mature | 19:51 |
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