2016-08-12.log

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paskyoh I was just about to link warp-ctc :)03:47
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kanzurewere you?08:20
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paskyI was at Schmidhuber's keynote this morning and he talked about CTC so it got chewing in my head that maybe the alignment / segmentation problem isn't that bad as i thought08:35
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kanzurepasky: ah. i was looking at CTC implementations last night. i thought maybe i had said something in the channel about it...09:39
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kanzurehttp://nautil.us/issue/39/sport/we-are-nowhere-close-to-the-limits-of-athletic-performance10:14
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fennwhat's the difference between CTC and dynamic time warping?11:27
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FourFireedmond,11:44
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kanzurehttps://github.com/yiwangbaidu/notes/blob/master/CTC/CTC.md11:56
kanzurefenn: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/12:01
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paskythere's also https://github.com/fchollet/keras/pull/343613:14
pasky(no idea about speed)13:15
kanzuresee https://github.com/fchollet/keras/issues/38313:15
kanzureoh yours is more recent. fine.13:15
kanzureoh look actual code review on that pull request.13:17
genehackeranyone familiar with microwave RF stuff?13:24
kanzureask superkuh13:25
genehackerhe works with that stuff?13:25
kanzurevarious radio things, probably he has looked at radio at some point13:26
kanzure*microwave at some point13:26
genehackerso I'm wondering about making an RFID chip for venus13:26
genehacker*RFID not chip13:26
genehackervenus is basically hell13:27
genehackerit's so hot that electronics as we know it don't work13:27
kanzurealso if superkuh doesn't know then we can always ask jcorgan (gnuradio-sdr maintainer)13:27
genehackerbut fluidics and mechanical systems don't care about the heat13:29
genehackerso we can build a probe that has some fluidic logic and sensors and stuff and it can do science13:30
genehackerproblem is getting data back13:30
genehackerso I'm thinking maybe I can use said fluidics to modulate the radar cross section of said probe13:31
kanzureiirc some data was retrieved from venus landers13:32
genehackerso we can hit it with radar, look at how the cross section changes and get data back13:32
genehackerit was, but those landers didn't last more than a couple hours before the electronics inside literally melted13:32
genehackerif we want to do long term science, we need something that can take the heat13:34
genehackerhttps://www.nasa.gov/feature/automaton-rover-for-extreme-environments-aree13:35
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kanzurethere was also something about terraforming venus. i don't remember where we put those details...14:53
kanzureit was probably floating city stuff, to be fair.14:53
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chris_99streety, hey, i just found the visualmic vids can now be downloaded too! so i'd be able to try with yours and theirs, i'm gonna see if i can try a simpler approach than theirs i think (whether that will work though)15:01
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JayDuggerFogg and Sagan both had write-ups of terraforming Venus that didn't involve gasbag cities.15:03
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delinquentmeHue.16:23
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maaku_I believe there is a proposed lander/rover for venus that is meant to last weeks instead of hours?16:40
maaku_https://web.archive.org/web/20140301115009/http://www.planetaryprobe.org/sessionfiles/session2/papers/lorenz_venus_lander-paper.pdf16:43
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maaku_50-200 day mission16:45
maaku_the "examples of proposals" part of this article is a wonderful read :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Program16:46
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genehackeryeah that one uses plutonium for power though17:18
genehackerNASA is running out of that17:18
genehackerhere's a more detailed study on a plutonium powered rover: http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/venustech2015/pdf/4021.pdf17:19
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genehackererr.. this is it: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anthony_Colozza/publication/268569312_Venus_Rover_Design_Study/links/563a285508ae405111a57d2e.pdf17:20
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genehackera more recent proposal uses high temperature SiC electronics which don't need cooling17:23
genehackerallowing the electronics to be powered with some very big solar cells: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20150000879.pdf17:23
genehackerSiC electronics still don't perform very well though17:24
genehackerpackaging is a problem17:27
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streetychris_99: that's useful. Having the same starting material should make getting the same result a lot simpler17:44
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kanzure"Opportunities and limits of remote timing attacks" (2009) http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dwallach/pub/crosby-timing2009.pdf20:18
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nmz787_kanzure: that QM [super]conduction theory seems to gel with me22:08
nmz787_gene_hacker: maybe modulation of ferrofluids? through some non-magnetic section (window?)22:17
nmz787_gene_hacker: would something like this work, would something like this survive the temps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplidyne22:20
nmz787_it's electrical, but not electronic22:20
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