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| FourFire | Invited someone who is working on Brain Computer interface to this channel. | 03:34 |
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| ebowden | vonstraus? | 03:35 |
| ebowden | Oh, derp, likely wouldn't be him. Was it though? | 03:36 |
| FourFire | "Josh Penn-Pierson -" | 03:38 |
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| newbie | greetings | 03:40 |
| newbie | this channel was just refered on a discord mind-uploading server | 03:41 |
| newbie | I am happy to see it has lots of users | 03:41 |
| newbie | and george church's sentence on the topic makes me happy | 03:41 |
| newbie | can anyone provide context or if possibly, the video? | 03:42 |
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| FourFire | superkuh, nice illustration: there's something fundamentally wrong with human brains... until we enhance them. | 03:52 |
| FourFire | newbie, check out the logs. | 03:52 |
| newbie | ~thanks | 03:52 |
| newbie | oh noes, no search... and too many logs | 03:53 |
| newbie | anyway, I googled george saying that and only got a few irc chans' topics | 03:53 |
| newbie | not the video or whatever | 03:53 |
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| fenn | newbie: "ray kurzweil is a pessimist" george church quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zzFRjeGRI&t=2m10s | 04:44 |
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| newbie | thanks fenn | 04:52 |
| newbie | you're awesome :) | 04:53 |
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| kanzure | newbie: greets | 05:18 |
| newbie | hey kanzure | 05:19 |
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| kanzure | newbie: here is a brain scanning thing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Rosetta%20brains:%20A%20strategy%20for%20molecularly-annotated%20connectomics%20-%20Marblestone%20-%20Church%20-%20Boyden%20-%202014.pdf | 05:23 |
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| newbie | anyone interested in bioviva? | 05:52 |
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| kanzure | search logs | 06:08 |
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| newbie | kanzure, can you search accross .txts? | 06:30 |
| kanzure | newbie: you can also download http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/ | 06:31 |
| newbie | thanks kanzure | 06:32 |
| newbie | hmmm, I think they are linux only | 06:33 |
| kanzure | you.. what | 06:34 |
| newbie | tar.gz is a linux compression format, right? | 06:35 |
| kanzure | you have an extremely huge misunderstanding about how computers work | 06:35 |
| newbie | it could be worse | 06:35 |
| kanzure | file formats do not depend on operating system type | 06:36 |
| newbie | I was indoctrinated to think rar and zip were for windows and tar for linux, my bad | 06:36 |
| * newbie autoflogs | 06:36 | |
| kanzure | death2teachers | 06:37 |
| newbie | kanzure, there's no grep on windows, can you teach me how to search across all these htmls, please? | 06:58 |
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| kanzure | install linux in a vm | 07:24 |
| kanzure | (virtual machine) | 07:24 |
| kanzure | or cygwin; then you can use grep. | 07:24 |
| kanzure | i also think there are builds of grep that target windows | 07:26 |
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| kanzure | what on earth is a unicorn colony laser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKzjmqO_LUY | 08:09 |
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| JayDugger | http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Colony_Laser | 08:23 |
| kanzure | sounds a lot like a "galaxy gun" http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_Gun | 08:26 |
| kanzure | hrm, no, wrong superweapon. | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | Cf. Niven's Wunderland Treatymaker and Ringworld Meteor Defense System and the laser pushers for lightsails that ended then first Man-Kzin War. | 08:49 |
| JayDugger | There's also no doubt a bunch of starkly astounding crap in E. E. Smith's Lensmen books, but I grew up after the transistor and can't suspend disbelief that much. | 08:50 |
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| JayDugger | Artificially induced solar flares as weapons have been used elsewhere in SF, probably first by Stapledon in Star Maker (1937), and pocket universes as projectiles by Walter Jon Williams in Implied Spaces (2008). | 08:53 |
| JayDugger | But Hall's Weather Machine has the best units for measuring destructive potential: Hiroshimas per second. | 08:55 |
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| nmz787_ | head the name 3scan dropped at the microscopy symposium, I think in reference to what microscope they recently bought or something | 12:03 |
| nmz787_ | newbie: just install the GIT windows installer, and set the tools to be on your PATH (some radio button or checkbox during the install). then you'll have grep on cmdline (also I recommend conEmu for command line terminal on windows) | 12:04 |
| nmz787_ | s/head/heard/ | 12:04 |
| newbie | thanks nmz787_ | 12:05 |
| nmz787_ | newbie: seems FourFire said you're working on brain computer interface, are you an analog EE type person? | 12:06 |
| nmz787_ | or a biochemist? | 12:06 |
| newbie | no, I only have higshcool | 12:07 |
| nmz787_ | experimenting with electronics or just starting to investigate this stuff? | 12:07 |
| newbie | I'm always the less intelligent people anywhere, you should not ask me difficult questions | 12:07 |
| newbie | I'm just a transhumanist enthusiast because I want to live forever on this paradise full of asian sex | 12:08 |
| newbie | it's as simple as that | 12:08 |
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| andytoshi | we are looking for a mailing list for grin https://github.com/ignopeverell/grin/issues/13 | 14:41 |
| andytoshi | what is a good tor-accessible one? | 14:41 |
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| Solvaring | Greetings | 15:55 |
| fenn | newbie: well there's thailand, for the near term future | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | Solvaring: greets | 16:07 |
| Solvaring | :D | 16:08 |
| Solvaring | I'm about to go back to school to continue my computer science education. I've been looking into nootropics and after hearing a report on NPR the other day i've decided to experiment. | 16:08 |
| Solvaring | did it just cut out the first part of my post? | 16:09 |
| Solvaring | I'm about to go back to school to continue* | 16:09 |
| Solvaring | I've got some PEA, Phenibut, and Adrafinil coming but i've read these are things to be taken sparingly. I currently take lemon balm and was wondering what else i could supplement as an 'every day' substance | 16:10 |
| fenn | what benefit do you expect to gain from PEA? | 16:11 |
| Solvaring | Well i go to the gym once or twice a week, and I read that it's working its way from the body building community into the nootropics community, it's reported to give mental clarity and energy and the first 20-30 minutes after taking it people report mild euphoria | 16:12 |
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| fenn | yes if you take shit tons | 16:12 |
| Solvaring | I'm a high-strung person, moderate anxiety/social anxiety, find it hard to focus, and have moderate Anhedonia from years of opiate abuse, i'm currently on Suboxone maintenance. | 16:13 |
| fenn | i recommend taking a tablespoon of magnesium citrate solution morning and night, available at your local drugstore and maybe grocery store | 16:13 |
| Solvaring | Whenever i get back into school i trick myself into the same old things thinking my old substances will make me do better but i'm not going to make that same mistake this time, still I feel like i need some help. | 16:13 |
| Solvaring | a boost | 16:13 |
| fenn | if you have a history of abusing euphoriants then i doubly recommend against PEA | 16:14 |
| fenn | it can be terribly addictive with certain drug interactions and this is not widely known | 16:15 |
| Solvaring | really? i figured it was the least dangerous of the 3 things i ordered. I read that the workout community has used it for years. | 16:15 |
| Solvaring | so will PEA not be effective for mental clarity unless i take large doses? which then makes it dangerous because of the addictive side effects. | 16:16 |
| fenn | afaik it won't do anything unless you take large doses because it won't cross the blood brain barrier | 16:16 |
| Solvaring | ahh | 16:16 |
| Solvaring | hmm | 16:16 |
| Solvaring | What about the fat burning qualities? | 16:17 |
| Solvaring | I read to take it 30 minutes before my workout. | 16:17 |
| fenn | bodybuilding is not my area of expertise | 16:17 |
| Solvaring | yeah | 16:18 |
| Solvaring | okay ill look that up | 16:18 |
| fenn | you may want to try phenylalanine | 16:18 |
| Solvaring | okay, what does the magnesium citrate help with? | 16:19 |
| fenn | anxiety and muscle tension | 16:19 |
| fenn | it dampens the adrenaline response | 16:19 |
| fenn | also it's generally a good thing to have; most americans are deficient in magnesium | 16:19 |
| Solvaring | ah okay | 16:20 |
| Solvaring | oh it looks to be a stool softener | 16:20 |
| fenn | not really | 16:20 |
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| Solvaring | hmm okay | 16:20 |
| fenn | if you take more than you can absorb it holds onto water | 16:20 |
| fenn | and then you get diarrhea | 16:20 |
| Solvaring | ahh ok | 16:21 |
| Solvaring | I just saw someone recommends Magnesium Glycinate ofter the citrate | 16:21 |
| fenn | sure | 16:21 |
| Solvaring | does it matter? | 16:21 |
| Solvaring | ok | 16:21 |
| Solvaring | Whatever it's bound to just effects how it gets absorbed i assume? | 16:22 |
| Solvaring | Citrate, Glycinate, Malatate | 16:22 |
| fenn | glycinate is more bioavailable so you can overdose on it and get hypermagnesemia instead of just diarrhea :D | 16:22 |
| Solvaring | oo | 16:22 |
| Solvaring | >.< | 16:22 |
| Solvaring | What about L-Theanine? I've read lots of good stuff about using that one every day, some studies suggest it's one of the things in green tea that helps Japanese Monks meditate for hours and hours | 16:23 |
| fenn | so if you're really deficient in magnesium then glycinate is the way to go, but you'll get there eventually with just citrate | 16:23 |
| Solvaring | Okay cool | 16:23 |
| * Solvaring is writing these things down | 16:23 | |
| superkuh | Does small milli/micro scale cavitation in venturi-like micro-fluidic setups also have the sterilizing effect that large scale hydrodynamic cavitation does? | 16:23 |
| fenn | personally i don't like theanine, it just makes me feel on edge | 16:24 |
| fenn | but some people use it *shrug* | 16:24 |
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| fenn | superkuh i dunno about cavitation but large pressure swings can lyse bacterial cells | 16:26 |
| Solvaring | oh Theanine makes some people feel on edge? | 16:26 |
| Solvaring | that is definitely not what I want >.< | 16:26 |
| fenn | try it and find out | 16:27 |
| fenn | the problem with nootropics and supplements is there's so many | 16:27 |
| Solvaring | yeah | 16:28 |
| fenn | if you take 50 new things at once, you don't know what caused an improvement or side effect | 16:28 |
| Solvaring | and a lot of the research isn't super clear cut like it is for normal pharmaceuticals. | 16:28 |
| Solvaring | yeah i'll try things one at a time to start | 16:28 |
| Solvaring | right now i've been taking lemon balm for almost a week, not sure if I notice anything. | 16:29 |
| fenn | so you've got a bunch of GABA analogues in your stack, you might want to look at NMDA antagonists instead | 16:34 |
| fenn | phenylalanine is an NMDA antagonist and dopamine precursor | 16:35 |
| Solvaring | yep i just read that, it's an essential amino acid that your body can make use of to create all kinds of good stuff. | 16:36 |
| fenn | nutrition is important but we are bio-hacking | 16:37 |
| fenn | eat lots of salmon and spinach, yadda yadda | 16:37 |
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| Solvaring | I also just read that phenibut is an antagonist to PEA, apparently it will reverse the effects of PEA? | 16:37 |
| fenn | no i wouldn't say they're opposites | 16:38 |
| fenn | PEA is a stimulant and phenibut is a sedative, but that doesn't mean nothing happens when you take both | 16:39 |
| Solvaring | you said my stack was full of GABA analogues, i know that Phenibut is GABA with a phenyl ring, but Adrafinil to my knowledge doesn't do anything with GABA. | 16:40 |
| Solvaring | Does PEA do something to GABA as well? | 16:40 |
| fenn | lemon balm increases GABA | 16:40 |
| Solvaring | Yep, was just about to get to that one. | 16:41 |
| Solvaring | okay | 16:41 |
| Solvaring | NMDA i'll look that up right now | 16:41 |
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| Solvaring | ahhh | 16:44 |
| Solvaring | related to ketamine | 16:45 |
| fenn | yes | 16:45 |
| fenn | try just magnesium and phenylalanine first though | 16:46 |
| fenn | most NMDA antagonists are hard to get a hold of, for stupid legal reasons | 16:46 |
| Solvaring | yeahh | 16:47 |
| Solvaring | they look a bit heavy | 16:47 |
| Solvaring | good for relaxing but stronger ones impair working memory? | 16:47 |
| fenn | yep they definitely do | 16:47 |
| fenn | compare to being drunk | 16:48 |
| fenn | similar to* | 16:48 |
| fenn | anyway the dose makes the poison | 16:49 |
| Solvaring | hmm | 16:49 |
| Solvaring | yeah, i just read a small dose of dxm at night before bed helps if one is using racetams | 16:49 |
| fenn | as far as actual nootropics, rather than ... anxiolytics. i've had good experience combining caffeine and piracetam and vinpocetine | 16:50 |
| fenn | i should probably play around with mod/adrafinil | 16:50 |
| Solvaring | those can be taken on a daily basis? | 16:50 |
| Solvaring | yeah, modafinil apparently is prescription only | 16:50 |
| fenn | yes, but cycle vinpocetine every couple weeks | 16:51 |
| Solvaring | Adrafinil though im excited to try out | 16:51 |
| fenn | adrafinil is just a slightly less safe prodrug of modafinil | 16:51 |
| Solvaring | yep | 16:51 |
| Solvaring | slightly less safe? | 16:51 |
| fenn | higher risk of severe rash | 16:51 |
| Solvaring | ahh | 16:51 |
| Solvaring | hmm | 16:51 |
| Solvaring | okay | 16:52 |
| Solvaring | i'll keep that in mind | 16:52 |
| fenn | er, whoops liver toxicity | 16:52 |
| Solvaring | ohhh | 16:52 |
| Solvaring | I just had my Hepatitis C cured, i dont need to worry about that anymore :D | 16:52 |
| Solvaring | not like i used to anyway | 16:52 |
| Solvaring | i only had it for a few years, it didnt have time to do any damage | 16:52 |
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| fenn | good thing you live in the future | 16:53 |
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| Solvaring | There are so many cognition enhancing things out there, it's hard to figure out what exactly to take, what do i need, what am i deficient in. | 16:53 |
| Solvaring | haha yes, im very grateful i got the treatment. | 16:53 |
| fenn | "Relative to adrafinil, modafinil possesses greater specificity in its action, lacking or having a reduced incidence of many of the common side effects of the former (including stomach pain, skin irritation, anxiety, and elevated liver enzymes with prolonged use)" | 16:53 |
| Solvaring | I found a test created by neuroscientist out on the web that is supposed to give a subjective view on what neurotransmitters and such one is efficient and deficient in | 16:54 |
| fenn | lol i just saw that | 16:54 |
| fenn | braverman? | 16:54 |
| Solvaring | not sure what it's worth but i'll try it | 16:54 |
| Solvaring | Yes | 16:54 |
| Solvaring | I used to consider myself well versed in taking chemicals but looking into nootropics i feel like i know nothing | 16:55 |
| Solvaring | need to take a biology course or something lol | 16:55 |
| fenn | hum maybe i should print this braverman questionnaire out and give it to people | 16:56 |
| kanzure | ok fine we'll use an extension block | 16:57 |
| kanzure | er, sidechain ish | 16:57 |
| fenn | i see some cognitive subprocess has returned | 16:58 |
| fenn | also you can totally transfer digital ownership rights for fine art nyaa | 16:58 |
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| kanzure | no i'm just about to board | 16:59 |
| kanzure | an airplane | 16:59 |
| kanzure | it's not much of a return. | 16:59 |
| kanzure | (i was pestering andytoshi in pm) | 16:59 |
| Solvaring | yep i printed out the test yesterday | 16:59 |
| Solvaring | going to take it | 16:59 |
| fenn | snort that shit | 17:04 |
| Solvaring | snort what shit? | 17:10 |
| fenn | (the test) | 17:14 |
| Solvaring | haha | 17:17 |
| Solvaring | next time i get paid i'll make sure to pick up magnesium and look into the racetams and phenylanine | 17:18 |
| fenn | magnesium is pretty cheap, a $2 bottle will last you a couple weeks | 17:24 |
| Solvaring | ah okay maybe ill go get some tomorrow then | 17:24 |
| fenn | well, a week | 17:25 |
| fenn | $1/1.5 week is my final offer | 17:25 |
| Solvaring | hahaha | 17:26 |
| Solvaring | xD | 17:26 |
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| Solvaring | wow the more i keep reading | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | the more im getting distracted from writing my code | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | i think biohacking will become my new addiction | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | making my brain STRONGER! | 17:27 |
| fenn | biochemistry is definitely a rabbit hole | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | FASTER | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | BETTER | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | Writing more code, more 1's more 0's! | 17:27 |
| fenn | 10x more | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | More CPU register diagrams! More architecture knowledge! | 17:27 |
| Solvaring | xD | 17:27 |
| fenn | what sort of code are you writing? | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | Hopefully this turns out better than my last few chemical obsessions. Needless to say they ended very poorly. | 17:28 |
| fenn | or not writing | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | I managed to pull myself out of it though :P | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | Python mainly | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | took a Python course last year | 17:28 |
| fenn | python is a long way from register diagrams | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | currently experimenting with writing a debugger | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | ahh | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | you would think so | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | but it's not | 17:28 |
| Solvaring | I'm going through the AMD64 cpu manual | 17:29 |
| Solvaring | learning about the debug registers of my CPU | 17:29 |
| Solvaring | because i need to do a lot of bitwise operations, shifting bits into appropriate registers for handling breakpoints | 17:29 |
| Solvaring | and i'm using a lot of code provided by the C types library | 17:30 |
| Solvaring | so that got me down the path of having a rudimentary understanding of C and C++, which was the first code i ever wrote back when i was like 15 | 17:30 |
| Solvaring | wrote a 'choose your own adventure' console game | 17:30 |
| Solvaring | text based | 17:30 |
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| Solvaring | and then the wikipedia rabbit hole of the C language taught me a little history about it's initial development along with ALGOL | 17:31 |
| Solvaring | and how it's basically one step removed from assembly language, or it was at the time, is how it was described. | 17:32 |
| Solvaring | My Aunt writes assembly for NASA, writes code for satellites, can't wait to ask her some questions this Christmas. | 17:32 |
| Solvaring | I'm 25 now, it took me a long time to get my shit together, but i'm finally doing it. | 17:32 |
| Solvaring | And i'll finally conquer MATH! | 17:33 |
| Solvaring | I've made a commitment to myself to take lots of Math and learn it well. | 17:33 |
| Solvaring | because in Math, there is always a right answer, and I enjoy being right :P | 17:34 |
| fenn | there's still a lot of new C code being written, but you have to really know it well, including all the weird idioms | 17:34 |
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| fenn | i'm a fan of cython | 17:35 |
| fenn | math is overrated | 17:36 |
| Solvaring | hmm cython that's one i've only heard about | 17:36 |
| fenn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_letters_used_in_mathematics,_science,_and_engineering#Concepts_represented_by_a_Greek_letter | 17:37 |
| Solvaring | not quite sure what makes cython since Python is implemented in C and python has libraries like C types and CFFI | 17:37 |
| fenn | also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematical_symbols | 17:38 |
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| fenn | you can compile cython | 17:40 |
| Solvaring | ahh yes | 17:41 |
| Solvaring | there is that part | 17:41 |
| fenn | huh cool "The Sage notebook allows transparently editing and compiling Cython code simply by typing %cython at the top of a cell and evaluate it" | 17:42 |
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| Solvaring | going afk for a bit | 17:50 |
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| fenn | this braverman subjective neurotransmitter test is a bunch of crap | 19:57 |
| fenn | it's impossible to honestly answer most of the questions because they're so morally loaded and depend heavily on what sort of people you interact with | 19:58 |
| fenn | it's definitely skewed to the "yep you're deficient in X" bias | 19:59 |
| fenn | but the basis vectors just dont seem to make any sense | 19:59 |
| fenn | like everything was 50% true 50% false for me | 19:59 |
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| fenn | "I am now doing pretty much the opposite of what the Braverman assessment recommended and I'm doing better than ever" | 20:04 |
| Solvaring | LOL | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | i have a 15 month old so | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | i go through periods of being very busy | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | lol | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | have to run to store now | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | sooo i think | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | besides what you reccomended | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | gonna give | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | noopept+choline a try | 20:07 |
| fenn | ok can't hurt | 20:07 |
| Solvaring | at first was gonna go the racetam+choline route | 20:08 |
| fenn | noopept is a racetam | 20:08 |
| Solvaring | actually | 20:08 |
| Solvaring | from what i read | 20:08 |
| Solvaring | technically it is not | 20:08 |
| Solvaring | but they said it works the same way | 20:08 |
| Solvaring | and it is more bioavailable | 20:08 |
| Solvaring | i would love it if i could remember even a full 25% of every programming thing I read and write down every day | 20:09 |
| Solvaring | since i haven't been in school im a big fan of online tutorials and downloading books in PDF format and then reading them and hammering out the exercises and studying the code | 20:09 |
| fenn | try graduated interval recall (automatic flash card apps) | 20:09 |
| Solvaring | ooh | 20:09 |
| Solvaring | okay :D | 20:10 |
| fenn | works best if "knowledge" is easily divided into "facts" | 20:10 |
| Solvaring | yeah i got so many notebooks full of programming notes | 20:10 |
| Solvaring | i write down everything to help reinforce it into my memory | 20:10 |
| fenn | take a look at anki | 20:10 |
| Solvaring | alright i will | 20:11 |
| Solvaring | once i get back | 20:11 |
| Solvaring | gotta throw a fluffy suit onto my daughter | 20:11 |
| Solvaring | and run to the grocery store forrrrr | 20:11 |
| Solvaring | coffee creamer, and milk | 20:11 |
| fenn | TMI | 20:11 |
| Solvaring | AWAY!!! | 20:12 |
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| fenn | Solvaring: phenibut has been described as "horribly addictive" in multiple places, so, probably not a good idea | 20:54 |
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| Solvaring | ah yrs | 21:46 |
| Solvaring | yes* | 21:46 |
| Solvaring | I saw that | 21:46 |
| Solvaring | im very curious about it though, in all honesty im craving something that will give me a clear and relaxed buzz, i've had a poor mood coupled with anxiety and a general 'blah' that i can't shake | 21:48 |
| Solvaring | i probably shouldn't | 21:48 |
| Solvaring | I get drug tested regularly as part of my suboxone maintenance program to keep me away from the hard stuff and i've failed at trying to use those responsibly so many times coupled with the fact that it severely hampers my mental faculties, i know i can't try it again | 21:49 |
| Solvaring | when i first started with the normal gamut of mind altering substances i excelled in school for a short time, and then it became not maintainable as the doses needed to increase it increasingly destroyed my memory and ability to function | 21:51 |
| Solvaring | there must be some magical combination out there that can give me what im seeking without destroying me in the process | 21:54 |
| Solvaring | oh wow just realized how much time has elapsed, fenn | 21:56 |
| Solvaring | there we go | 21:56 |
| Solvaring | a mention should get your attention :P | 21:57 |
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| kanzure | okay back | 23:03 |
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