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| TMA | newbie|2: my estimate is between 1e-6 and 1e-3; I think I am 90% sure | 03:19 |
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| newbie|2 | thanks, vicarion and TMA | 04:02 |
| newbie|2 | this channel needs more discussion | 04:02 |
| kanzure | why | 04:04 |
| kanzure | read the backlogs instead | 04:05 |
| newbie|2 | lol | 04:08 |
| newbie|2 | why there's a channel then? | 04:08 |
| newbie|2 | kanzure, you just hate seeng the purity of your irc client being tainted by logs? | 04:09 |
| newbie|2 | seeing* | 04:09 |
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| kanzure | see http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 04:13 |
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| fenn | newbie|2: a common misunderstanding. there is no corner on an exponential curve, it just keeps going up | 04:44 |
| fenn | there's no such thing as "percentage of progress towards singularity" | 04:44 |
| newbie|2 | let's discuss the nature of the singularity? | 04:44 |
| newbie|2 | yes, the curve will continue, but the point where nothing is foreseeable is certain | 04:45 |
| newbie|2 | the point where things get real mad | 04:45 |
| fenn | that happened in 1969 | 04:45 |
| newbie|2 | ahah | 04:45 |
| newbie|2 | your first acid trip? | 04:45 |
| fenn | if "the singularity" happened already, how would you know? | 04:46 |
| newbie|2 | many singularities have happened on this planet... like the multicellular age, language on humans... I was refering to the tech one, as described by kurzweil | 04:47 |
| fenn | when you're falling into a black hole, crossing the event horizon doesn't feel particularly special | 04:47 |
| newbie|2 | I'm just a poor dumb kurzweilian | 04:47 |
| fenn | it was vernor vinge | 04:47 |
| * newbie|2 is even bumber | 04:47 | |
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| fenn | i wonder what happens when you get anton-babinski syndrome patients to paint or draw what they see (a form of blindness where they don't know they're blind) | 04:50 |
| kanzure | the guy likes kurzweil, let's ban him. | 04:51 |
| kanzure | "let's discuss the nature of the singularity" no | 04:51 |
| newbie|2 | my bad, I knew I should go on with myeducation | 04:52 |
| kanzure | yes i think you were already in here talking about medication | 04:52 |
| fenn | that was someone else | 04:53 |
| kanzure | damn | 04:53 |
| newbie|2 | I am the "endless paradise of asian sex" newbie | 04:53 |
| kanzure | hard to keep all of you classified correctly | 04:54 |
| newbie|2 | gonna get into a nick | 04:54 |
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| kanzure | there is no good reason to not force people to use pubkeys for names | 04:55 |
| anachronick | I am always too lazy to get into my freenode nick | 04:55 |
| anachronick | need to automate my login here in kvirc | 04:55 |
| fenn | josh penn-pierson | 04:55 |
| fenn | ta | 04:56 |
| * fenn goes to do some real work | 04:56 | |
| chris_99 | I'm just wondering, i'm reading about zeolite, used as a molecular sieve, which adsorbs water etc, since i'm not a chemist, i'm just wondering how easy such things are to remove h2o from ethanol | 05:07 |
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| chris_99 | just doing some more reading, sounds like you can simply add them in a flask with the ethanol & water, and then re-use them by drying them out | 05:20 |
| anachronick | sorry, I am virtually illeterate, can't help you | 05:25 |
| TMA | chris_99: zeolite is usable even for oxygen-nitrogen separation from air | 05:30 |
| chris_99 | yeah, i think i just saw something about them being used in oxygen concentrators, how does that work out of interest | 05:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-security-model-deep-dive/ | 05:34 |
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| streety | I think the oxygen concentrators work by pressure swing adsorption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_swing_adsorption | 05:46 |
| streety | here is a homemade device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWM3ZImmVWQ | 05:47 |
| streety | the nitrogen was used for preparing liquid nitrogen | 05:48 |
| chris_99 | neat thanks! will take a look | 05:48 |
| __mz_o | chris_99: just began to learn about zeolite molecular sieves as well. I'd found a good article that explains them well | 05:52 |
| __mz_o | gime a sec and ill link it | 05:52 |
| chris_99 | thanks | 05:52 |
| __mz_o | http://www.eltrex.pl/pdf/karty/adsorbenty/ENG-Introduction%20to%20Zeolite%20Molecular%20Sieves.pdf | 05:53 |
| chris_99 | streety, that video is awesome :) | 05:53 |
| __mz_o | Was an easy find but i think it explained alot | 05:53 |
| chris_99 | thanks | 05:53 |
| __mz_o | np brotha | 05:54 |
| streety | yeah, sadly he hasn't posted many other videos. The liquid nitrogen generator is worth watching though. Uses regenerative cooling rather than a cryocooler | 05:57 |
| chris_99 | the tanks he's using in the first vid you linked with the bolts, look hardcore, they look like they could take a lot more than 100psi | 05:59 |
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| kanzure | musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoGFB6tsXI&t=18m30s | 06:37 |
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| fenn | not quite a neural network: http://blog.piekniewski.info/2016/11/04/predictive-vision-in-a-nutshell/ | 06:59 |
| kanzure | these diagrams should have an arrow specifically pointing to where the dark magic occurs | 06:59 |
| kanzure | "Unsupervised Learning from Continuous Video in a Scalable Predictive Recurrent Network" https://arxiv.org/abs/1607.06854 | 06:59 |
| JayDugger | "these diagrams should have an arrow specifically pointing to where the dark magic occurs" Heh. | 07:05 |
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| pasky | is convolution a "shady trick" now? | 07:46 |
| kanzure | pasky: a lot of machine learning looks a lot like cargo culting to me | 07:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.r2d3.us/visual-intro-to-machine-learning-part-1/ | 07:55 |
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| kanzure | if there are climate change deniers, then shouldn't they also be engaged in anti-terraforming machine engineeirng projects, to prevent terraformers? | 13:35 |
| kanzure | if you are a climate change denialist, then i think you would also have to engage in supporting anti-terraforming machine development. | 13:35 |
| kanzure | terraforming machine development and anti-terraforming machine development is almost precisely the same. | 13:35 |
| kanzure | i suppose for the denialists the problem is that they already believe it's impossible, so why would they build a machine to ensure they are right? | 13:37 |
| chris_99 | http://spectrum.ieee.org/video/geek-life/tools-toys/this-water-jet-cutter-can-slice-through-anything-steel-glass-or-steak | 14:01 |
| chris_99 | aren't the pumps industrial cutters use really expensive | 14:01 |
| chris_99 | if so, how have they made it that cheap? | 14:02 |
| kanzure | perhaps they don't include the pumps :D | 14:03 |
| chris_99 | haha quite possibly | 14:04 |
| vicarion | you gotta get a straw, and blow the water in yourself using your mouth | 14:51 |
| kanzure | not true | 14:53 |
| kanzure | false, even | 14:53 |
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| nmz787_w | I wonder what would happen if you ran CO2 into a pressure-washer instead of water | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | it'd come out as a gas though | 15:05 |
| chris_99 | wouldnt it | 15:05 |
| nmz787_w | well I was wondering more if it would get up to the 1650PSI quoted for water | 15:13 |
| nmz787_w | that is getting close to subcritical I think | 15:13 |
| nmz787_w | (well that would actually depend on the temperature) | 15:13 |
| nmz787_w | so if a cheap $100 ish pressure washer could pump food-grade soda gas into a pipe/chamber, up to max pressure (in the 1000s)... then maybe you could close a valve to seal the chamber, turn off the pump, then raise the chamber temperature, which would raise the pressure | 15:14 |
| nmz787_w | going closer into subcritical, and maybe into supercritical | 15:14 |
| chris_99 | oh sorry gotcha | 15:15 |
| nmz787_w | then you could just use the sprayer to spray onto a big hemispherical bowl or something, if you were extracting something from i.e. a bio-mass | 15:15 |
| chris_99 | i think my co2 tank is 800psi iirc | 15:15 |
| nmz787_w | or if you were doing critical point drying, then you'd want to slowly bleed off the co2, I thikn | 15:16 |
| nmz787_w | "More specifically, it behaves as a supercritical fluid above its critical temperature (304.25 K, 31.10 °C, 87.98 °F) and critical pressure (72.9 atm, 7.39 MPa, 1,071 psi), expanding to fill its container like a gas but with a density like that of a liquid." | 15:17 |
| nmz787_w | so probably need a container that is safe up to 2000 PSI | 15:17 |
| nmz787_w | my friend who built co2 extractors for re-refining used engine motor oil said you can just buy threaded pipe that is already rated | 15:18 |
| chris_99 | sorry i don't get you, i believe the tank i have has liquid co2 in, but only at around 800psi? | 15:19 |
| nmz787_w | also, coming from Python-heavy development to being thrown into a codebase of C (or SystemC) and SystemVerilog is very challenging | 15:19 |
| nmz787_w | chris_99: yeah, I am wondering if a pressure washer could take that and pump it up to 1650 PSI, which is was it advertised as for water | 15:20 |
| chris_99 | but how could you increase the pressure further | 15:20 |
| chris_99 | if it's a liquid | 15:20 |
| chris_99 | or am i being dumb | 15:21 |
| nmz787_w | it's compressible | 15:21 |
| chris_99 | liquids arent though? | 15:21 |
| nmz787_w | water is said to be incompressible | 15:21 |
| nmz787_w | idk if that is all liquids | 15:21 |
| nmz787_w | but supercritical CO2 is definitely a thing, and getting more common in consumer goods | 15:21 |
| chris_99 | i thought you wouldn't be able to compress co2 beyond a certain pressuree | 15:21 |
| chris_99 | isn't supercritical co2 just liquid co2 | 15:21 |
| nmz787_w | maybe you pressurise then heat up | 15:21 |
| nmz787_w | bbl | 15:21 |
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| chris_99 | hmm maybe i was wrong about the pressure for it to be a liquid, wiki says '1,071 psi' | 15:22 |
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| nmz787_w | bak | 15:57 |
| nmz787_w | .tell chris_99 well there's a range of pressures https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Carbon_dioxide_pressure-temperature_phase_diagram.svg | 15:58 |
| yoleaux | nmz787_w: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 15:58 |
| nmz787_w | .tell chris_99 compare to water, no super-critical phase and weird sharp vertical line (almost) at 0 Celsius https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Phase_diagram_of_water.svg | 16:03 |
| yoleaux | nmz787_w: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 16:03 |
| nmz787_w | .tell chris_99 also while on that topic: http://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-just-discovered-a-second-state-of-liquid-water | 16:04 |
| yoleaux | nmz787_w: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 16:04 |
| nmz787_w | .title | 16:04 |
| yoleaux | Physicists just discovered a second state of liquid water - ScienceAlert | 16:04 |
| nmz787_w | http://www.inderscienceonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1504/IJNT.2016.079670 | 16:04 |
| nmz787_w | (not open) | 16:04 |
| nmz787_w | juri_: I began converting that escad into BRLCAD via my Python library... I think with someone who knows Python magic methods better than me, it seems possible to support the escad format for BRLCAD operations | 16:12 |
| nmz787_w | juri_: mainly the API calls are a bit different in name, args-wise they need Z knowledge, as there is no extrude really (unless you start with a bitmap)... so supporting the syntax exactly might (probably) be incomplete | 16:13 |
| nmz787_w | juri_: but converting things last night was pretty manual, when I recajigger the rotations, then I might have to think a bit more about what the intention originally was | 16:14 |
| Solvaring | is 20mg sublingual noopept too high of a dose? | 16:39 |
| Solvaring | 20mg is the dose for oral consumption | 16:40 |
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| kanzure | various comments about waterjet cutters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12952329 | 18:27 |
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| juri_ | nmz787_: thanks for keeping me posted. at .5, i'm 180 gigs into swap on top of 128 gigs of ram, and still going. | 20:06 |
| maaku | Today I learned the Inferno movie was entirely stripped of its transhumanist plot. What a wasted opportunity. | 20:31 |
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