2011-02-14.log:20:26 < Tyrant> kanzure, aha thanks but i wont be reading much
2011-02-14.log:20:26 < Tyrant> too busy to go to even diybio now adays
2011-02-14.log:20:40 < Tyrant> kanzure, im signed up to diybio and openmanufacturing but i dont follow them. nothing of interest
2011-02-14.log:20:40 < Tyrant> oh wait not talking to me
2011-02-14.log:20:40 < Tyrant> my bad
2011-02-14.log:20:41 < Tyrant> tav, get involved, make projects
2011-02-14.log:20:42 < Tyrant> the mailing lists are rather useless if you dont have something you'd like to present for discussion
2011-02-14.log:20:42 < Tyrant> a  tidbit of news here and there
2011-02-14.log:20:42 < Tyrant> but like diybio theres just wide swaths of topics with little depth
2011-02-14.log:20:45 < Tyrant> Well what are you interested in
2011-02-14.log:20:46 < Tyrant> Im actually working on #3
2011-02-14.log:20:46 < Tyrant> and 4k is way over shooting it
2011-02-14.log:20:49 < Tyrant> What's your language of choice?
2011-02-14.log:20:50 < Tyrant> ah shame
2011-02-14.log:20:51 < Tyrant> tav: my company's preferred language lol
2011-02-14.log:20:51 < Tyrant> been looking for coders lately
2011-02-14.log:20:52 < Tyrant> without a long winded explanation, the "imdb of politics"
2011-02-14.log:20:52 < Tyrant> kanzure, not on the scale we're doing it
2011-02-14.log:20:53 < Tyrant> and we're commercial, not non profit like most are
2011-02-14.log:20:55 < Tyrant> for a scanning tunneling microscope?
2011-02-14.log:20:56 < Tyrant> What kind of precision does it have
2011-02-14.log:20:57 < Tyrant> i mean its great if it costs a couple grand but if its the equivalent of a really nice optical microscope... whats the point
2011-02-14.log:20:57 < Tyrant> the dsp has to be really high throughtput
2011-02-14.log:20:58 < Tyrant> eh i dont see much on that site in the way of actual precision statistics
2011-02-14.log:20:59 < Tyrant> I can't imagine an stm without some really expensive high precision components
2011-02-14.log:21:00 < Tyrant> Yeah thats even more precise
2011-02-14.log:21:01 < Tyrant> how big are the probes
2011-02-14.log:21:02 < Tyrant> radius of curvature i believe its called
2011-02-14.log:21:03 < Tyrant> those instruments seem too precise for a diy setting
2011-02-14.log:21:03 < Tyrant> ima stick to my mass spec
2011-02-14.log:21:03 < Tyrant> im already planning almost full open source
2011-02-14.log:21:04 < Tyrant> the 'almost' part is only there until theres a viable alternative business model
2011-02-14.log:21:05 < Tyrant> I'd imagine the samples for callibrating an stm would be more expensive than 2500
2011-02-14.log:21:05 < Tyrant> you can have all the stms you want but you'll never know whether its actually seeing what its supposed to be seing
2011-02-14.log:21:08 < Tyrant> kanzure, no its not. at those scales a small aberation on your detector and you have nothing
2011-02-14.log:21:08 < Tyrant> and all detectors have some abberations
2011-02-14.log:21:09 < Tyrant> calibrating the noise floor is easy
2011-02-14.log:21:09 < Tyrant> but calibrating for the actual imperfections in the real measurements is hard
2011-02-14.log:21:09 < Tyrant> just use an xmos and be done with it
2011-02-14.log:21:09 < Tyrant> x)
2011-02-14.log:21:10 < Tyrant> yes
2011-02-14.log:21:11 < Tyrant> why n?
2011-02-14.log:21:11 < Tyrant> no?
2011-02-14.log:21:11 < Tyrant> it is in this case
2011-02-14.log:21:11 < Tyrant> just get one more or less tailored to rf
2011-02-14.log:21:12 < Tyrant> I know little about stms but an rf adc + fpga would win
2011-02-14.log:21:12 < Tyrant> its on the much pricier side but more reliable
2011-02-14.log:21:12 < Tyrant> and you want the idea to work before you get execution down to a minimum
2011-02-14.log:21:13 < Tyrant> you're building a high precision instrument. forget low cost. think iterations
2011-02-14.log:21:13 < Tyrant> I guarantee you you're not a giant company specializing in them
2011-02-14.log:21:13 < Tyrant> then do those right before you try to burn down the cost
2011-02-14.log:21:14 < Tyrant> kanzure, those companies need those salaries because they dont have the benefit of ripping off previous work
2011-02-14.log:21:15 < Tyrant> you mean it's their fault for surviving?
2011-02-14.log:21:15 < Tyrant> drazak: if you want to jsut do a project and make something working then chose a more proven project
2011-02-14.log:21:15 < Tyrant> if you want to drive the cost of a scientific instrument down, then start iterating
2011-02-14.log:21:16 < Tyrant> and you're not going to iterate with an arduino and a toothpick
2011-02-14.log:21:16 < Tyrant> at least not until you know exactly how the instrument works and every pitfall along the way
2011-02-14.log:21:17 < Tyrant> oh no it is
2011-02-14.log:21:17 < Tyrant> its going at its own nice pace
2011-02-14.log:21:17 < Tyrant> you can print shit with it
2011-02-14.log:21:17 < Tyrant> they didnt try to make a $25,000 3d printer for 500$
2011-02-14.log:21:17 < Tyrant> they tried to make a very very basic version
2011-02-14.log:21:18 < Tyrant> and succeeded. and improved on it
2011-02-14.log:21:19 < Tyrant> work?
2011-02-14.log:21:19 < Tyrant> what works?
2011-02-14.log:21:19 < Tyrant> any working examples of an stm or afm?
2011-02-14.log:21:20 < Tyrant> no i mean a diy afm or stm
2011-02-14.log:21:20 < Tyrant> even at a university level
2011-02-14.log:21:21 < Tyrant> if patents are up, lots of papers are published, and peopel are doing them "diy" at the university level then its a ripe target to burn down the cost
2011-02-14.log:21:24 < Tyrant> hmm i need to make an R interface for ipads
2011-02-14.log:21:25 < Tyrant> yep
2011-02-14.log:21:25 < Tyrant> what media contacts do you ahve btw
2011-02-14.log:21:25 < Tyrant> we've got a filming crew coming to socaldiybio soon and we're going to do our kickstarter
2011-02-14.log:21:26 < Tyrant> need your forwading around + as many media contacts as possible
2011-02-14.log:21:26 < Tyrant> we've got wired, boing boing, and hackaday already
2011-02-14.log:21:26 < Tyrant> lol dont want to help the diybio scene?: P
2011-02-14.log:21:27 < Tyrant> Not introduce, just send out some emails to media people you know about the socal kickstarter
2011-02-14.log:21:29 < Tyrant> ahaha i randomly scrolled down and saw kyle kovary
2011-02-14.log:21:29 < Tyrant> I'm under knowledge, lasers and calibration? HAH
2011-02-14.log:21:29 < Tyrant> yeah i got that lol
2011-02-14.log:21:30 < Tyrant> thats a really nice script you got running tagging all of thse
2011-02-14.log:21:30 < Tyrant> huh Todd Huffman has peter thiel on his friends list?
2011-02-14.log:21:31 < Tyrant> I'm guessing you have him on your friends list as welL?
2011-02-14.log:21:33 < Tyrant> hmm
2011-02-14.log:21:33 < Tyrant> pain in the ass contacting him
2011-02-14.log:21:34 < Tyrant> nah i've got nothing to say yet. just waiting to hear about my fellowship application
2011-02-14.log:21:34 < Tyrant> the 20 under 20 thing he did
2011-02-14.log:21:34 < Tyrant> mind if I download that text file btw?
2011-02-14.log:21:35 < Tyrant> todd didnt put what on?
2011-02-14.log:21:36 < Tyrant> i know
2011-02-14.log:21:36 < Tyrant> That's why i want to contact peter thiel not todd
2011-02-14.log:21:36 < Tyrant> I can contact todd no problem
2011-02-14.log:21:36 < Tyrant> its peter that i have a rpoblem with
2011-02-14.log:21:36 < Tyrant> yeah
2011-02-14.log:21:36 < Tyrant> and yes im under 20
2011-02-14.log:21:37 < Tyrant> nils hitze is also applying?
2011-02-14.log:21:38 < Tyrant> matvey ezhov haha
2011-02-14.log:21:38 < Tyrant> this is one hell of a tag cloud
2011-02-14.log:21:38 < Tyrant> What did you use to build it?
2011-02-14.log:21:39 < Tyrant> ahah under joseph jackson you have the whole thing about 20under20 and mass spectroscopy which is im guessing him talking about my ms
2011-02-14.log:21:39 < Tyrant> ah. excuse my narcissism :p
2011-02-14.log:21:40 < Tyrant> heh
2011-02-14.log:21:40 < Tyrant> just interesting to sift through the tags
2011-02-14.log:21:41 < Tyrant> hmm now that im finally using a bnc maybe i should set up that script
2011-02-14.log:21:41 < Tyrant> That'd be cool to see
2011-02-14.log:21:53 < Tyrant> btw kanzure, i dont like that #13 under projects :P
2011-02-14.log:21:55 < Tyrant> yep
2011-02-14.log:21:55 < Tyrant> replace them with SoCal
2011-02-14.log:21:55 < Tyrant> We're making our own gel boxes
2011-02-14.log:21:55 < Tyrant> I know
2011-02-14.log:21:55 < Tyrant> but its the best i can do
2011-02-14.log:21:55 < Tyrant> otehr than that laser callibration nonsense
2011-02-14.log:21:57 < Tyrant> who?
2011-02-14.log:21:57 < Tyrant> just messing with your tag cloud
2011-02-14.log:21:57 < Tyrant> he is also tagged 20under20
2011-02-14.log:21:58 < Tyrant> ehh technically movement
2011-02-14.log:21:58 < Tyrant> not branch
2011-02-14.log:21:59 < Tyrant> im a stickler for my native language ;)
2011-02-14.log:21:59 < Tyrant> no i wouldn't recommend it
2011-02-14.log:21:59 < Tyrant> i dont think it'd properly get transhumanism
2011-02-14.log:22:00 < Tyrant> also its russian transhumanist movement
2011-02-14.log:22:00 < Tyrant> Xp
2011-02-14.log:22:00 < Tyrant> i bet
2011-02-14.log:22:00 < Tyrant> i'll ask my mom if she worked on soemthing like that
2011-02-14.log:22:01 < Tyrant> such trustworthy data
2011-02-14.log:22:03 < Tyrant> if you werent being sarcastic i'd suggest you use a hammer for your afm and pass it through a 400 mips rf dac
2011-02-14.log:22:05 < Tyrant> i wonder what your cloud will do to that link
2011-02-14.log:22:05 < Tyrant> the super soldiers
2011-02-14.log:22:05 < Tyrant> oh boy
2011-02-14.log:22:06 < Tyrant> bacon
2011-02-14.log:22:06 < Tyrant> diy electron transmission microscope
2011-02-14.log:22:06 < Tyrant> diy MRI
2011-02-14.log:22:06 < Tyrant> damn
2011-02-14.log:22:07 < Tyrant> diy mri anyway
2011-02-14.log:22:08 < Tyrant> going to replace all their superconducting magnets with arduinos
2011-02-14.log:22:09 < Tyrant> itll work i tell you
2011-02-14.log:22:09 < Tyrant> im going to cut their cost
2011-02-14.log:22:14 < Tyrant> use ice and hot water baths. its hte only way to do it correctly :)
2011-02-14.log:22:15 < Tyrant> i like thermocyclers but only as decorations
2011-02-14.log:22:15 < Tyrant> i have one sitting right behind my laptop
2011-02-14.log:22:15 < Tyrant> stupid peltier chip burned
2011-02-14.log:22:17 < Tyrant> i think the miniprep isolates the plasmids and PCR amplifies it
2011-02-14.log:22:18 < Tyrant> yeah i think the terms are interchangeable
2011-02-14.log:22:21 < Tyrant> that depends on what you're doing it for. our initial PCRs were taking very small amounts of dna and replicating them
2011-02-14.log:22:22 < Tyrant> but that was just to test whether the pcr worked correctly
2011-02-14.log:22:22 < Tyrant> as well as our imaging equipment, gel setup, etc.
2011-02-14.log:22:34 < Tyrant> dont forget the tags and arduinos
2011-02-14.log:22:34 < Tyrant> good night everyone im out
2011-02-14.log:22:36 < Tyrant> Bacon got in!
2011-02-14.log:22:36 < Tyrant> No sorry.
2011-02-14.log:22:36 < Tyrant> I don't know how chimpanzees or humanzees got in either
2011-02-14.log:22:40 < Tyrant> btw delinquentme, conc might be concentratin
2011-02-14.log:22:40 < Tyrant> concentration
2011-02-15.log:14:04 < Tyrant> Anyone going to be at BIL in march?
2011-02-15.log:14:12 < Tyrant> cool
2011-02-15.log:14:12 < Tyrant> socal diybio has like 2 or 3 presenting
2011-02-15.log:15:14 < Tyrant> kanzure, i bet you love the trailer on the website of transcendant man
2011-02-15.log:15:14 < Tyrant> its so visionary so predictive so... narcissistic :D
2011-02-16.log:16:54 < Tyrant> ahaha
2011-02-16.log:16:54 < Tyrant> someone I know was asked for recommendations on a mentor and interviewer for diy scientific instruments for the theil fellowship
2011-02-16.log:16:54 < Tyrant> looks like I have advanced to the final round
2011-02-17.log:17:34 < Tyrant> kanzure, do you know any people who are experts at diy scientific instruments?
2011-02-17.log:17:34 < Tyrant> either industry or university, "diy" used loosely
2011-02-17.log:17:40 < Tyrant> expert as in in the industry
2011-02-17.log:17:40 < Tyrant> and yes diy in general
2011-02-17.log:17:44 < Tyrant> I'll send joseph your way
2011-02-17.log:17:46 < Tyrant> yep
2011-02-28.log:18:23 < Tyrant> hey Kanzure, thank you very much for those links
2011-02-28.log:18:23 < Tyrant> Will you be talking about open hardware or open manufacturing at BIL?
2011-02-28.log:21:44 < Tyrant> np
2011-02-28.log:21:44 < Tyrant> just wondering
2011-02-28.log:21:44 < Tyrant> if our presentations would conflict
2011-02-28.log:21:44 < Tyrant> *overlap
2011-02-28.log:22:15 < Tyrant> yeah
2011-02-28.log:22:15 < Tyrant> kanzure, im steering away from that one bit patenting
2011-02-28.log:22:15 < Tyrant> not forsaking it
2011-02-28.log:22:16 < Tyrant> but if im going to do it on ideological grounds i should only really patent something if it has huge funding potential
2011-02-28.log:22:16 < Tyrant> and can fund other open source stuff
2011-03-01.log:15:28 < Tyrant> Hey kanzure what was that cloud tag you had for your modes of communication?
2011-03-01.log:15:28 < Tyrant> I lkost the url
2011-03-01.log:16:12 < Tyrant> Can you send the link to the code of the long text file?
2011-03-01.log:16:13 < Tyrant> The links are broken in that html file
2011-03-01.log:16:26 < Tyrant> perfect thank you
2011-03-03.log:12:50 < Tyrant> hey kanzure_
2011-03-03.log:12:51 < Tyrant> whats up?
2011-03-03.log:12:55 < Tyrant> yeah thank you for that
2011-03-03.log:12:56 < Tyrant> I'm going to be focusing mostly on open science first, why we need it, etc.
2011-03-03.log:12:56 < Tyrant> and a few examples of people outside of industry and universities doing amazing things
2011-03-03.log:12:57 < Tyrant> then go over some scientific instruments like my mass spec, the AFM, etc. that should be so much cheaper
2011-03-03.log:12:57 < Tyrant> yeah
2011-03-03.log:19:12 < Tyrant> kanzure_, media pariah?
2011-03-03.log:19:16 < Tyrant> regarding natasha vita-more creating the gada prize page
2011-03-03.log:19:16 < Tyrant> sorry should be more specific answering to stuff late
2011-03-03.log:19:17 < Tyrant> she tries to get her image out there a lot
2011-03-03.log:19:18 < Tyrant> i think she just created it so that it would be associated with her
2011-03-03.log:19:18 < Tyrant> ah i see
2011-03-03.log:19:19 < Tyrant> whats the link?
2011-03-03.log:19:21 < Tyrant> i should be getting my presentation finalized and working on schematics, yes
2011-03-03.log:19:21 < Tyrant> :)
2011-03-03.log:19:21 < Tyrant> im still a ways away from that
2011-03-03.log:19:22 < Tyrant> the early stages of development will be semi-super sekret
2011-03-03.log:19:22 < Tyrant> until i figure out the patent liabilities
2011-03-03.log:19:24 < Tyrant> how so?
2011-03-03.log:19:25 < Tyrant> true, but its a pitfall i'll have to avoid
2011-03-03.log:19:25 < Tyrant> haha
2011-03-03.log:19:26 < Tyrant> well I'd like to be able to manufacture mass specs, not just make an open source one
2011-03-03.log:19:26 < Tyrant> and for that i really need to know what the patent situation is
2011-03-03.log:19:26 < Tyrant> and 'super sekret' means i won't be making a public web page for it
2011-03-03.log:19:26 < Tyrant> plenty of people will still have it though
2011-03-03.log:19:28 < Tyrant> if it sounds like bullshit to you then you can interpret it as such. fact of the matter stands that i'll be screwed before i even start if i get sued
2011-03-03.log:19:29 < Tyrant> sorry yeah misread. they will be in a repository
2011-03-03.log:19:29 < Tyrant> just not at first
2011-03-03.log:19:29 < Tyrant> by the time i can actually manufacture and sell, they definitely will be
2011-03-03.log:19:31 < Tyrant> heh
2011-03-03.log:19:31 < Tyrant> well if thats the way you feel you are welcome to have nothing to do with it
2011-03-03.log:19:32 < Tyrant> the benefit i have from making it all 's3kr1t' at first is developing without having to worry about any patent conflicts
2011-03-03.log:19:33 < Tyrant> but i gain no benefit from keeping it closed source after i have a handle on them
2011-03-03.log:19:34 < Tyrant> i would make it open source from the start
2011-03-03.log:19:36 < Tyrant> hmm
2011-03-03.log:19:38 < Tyrant> now that sounds like bullshit
2011-03-03.log:19:38 < Tyrant> but i know an ip lawyer
2011-03-03.log:19:38 < Tyrant> i'll talk to him in depth
2011-03-03.log:19:38 < Tyrant> if he's sure that i cant get sued over open source cad/schematics/etc then ill make it open source right away
2011-03-03.log:19:39 < Tyrant> what constitutes someone else's work though
2011-03-03.log:19:39 < Tyrant> based on published research
2011-03-03.log:19:40 < Tyrant> ah no I don't have any of those
2011-03-03.log:19:40 < Tyrant> shitty scientific journal diagrams is mostly what i Have
2011-03-03.log:19:41 < Tyrant> like i said dont have any cad files from others
2011-03-03.log:19:41 < Tyrant> :)
2011-03-03.log:19:42 < Tyrant> Does the usual software licenses extend to hardware or do i have to use something else like ohanda?
2011-03-03.log:19:42 < Tyrant> *OSHA
2011-03-05.log:19:20 < Tyrant> hey kanzure, may  I use some of the graphics in your H+ presentation such as the graph of DIYbio news exposure and some of the pictures of open source stuff?
2011-03-05.log:19:28 < Tyrant> thank you
2011-03-05.log:19:32 < Tyrant> lol
2011-03-05.log:19:32 < Tyrant> ill try to get you or humanity+ in there somewhere
2011-03-05.log:19:34 < Tyrant> im only staying for my presentation and a few others
2011-03-05.log:19:34 < Tyrant> wont have time to mingle unfortunately ;(
2011-03-05.log:19:35 < Tyrant> i'll mention the gada prize
2011-03-05.log:19:35 < Tyrant> in the presentation
2011-03-05.log:19:35 < Tyrant> I'll be going over hackerspaces, diybio, and a few of the DIY stuff out there
2011-03-05.log:19:35 < Tyrant> CNCs, reprap, the DIY STM and AFMs, etc.
2011-03-05.log:19:39 < Tyrant> yeah im guessing
2011-03-05.log:19:39 < Tyrant> but tahts a small part
2011-03-05.log:21:40 < Tyrant> crap i won't be presenting tomorrow
2011-03-05.log:21:40 < Tyrant> fucking russian consulate
2011-03-05.log:21:49 < Tyrant> kanzure, yeah after i heard how the time slots were filled i was like "wtf?"
2011-03-05.log:21:50 < Tyrant> earliest i can get there is like 3pm so I wont get a slot
2011-03-05.log:21:56 < Tyrant> ybit what's the company?
2011-03-05.log:21:56 < Tyrant> just read what you wrote above :p
2011-03-05.log:21:59 < Tyrant> what was genebid?
2011-03-05.log:22:01 < Tyrant> kanzure, so you're idea still doesnt make sense to you? :P
2011-03-05.log:22:02 < Tyrant> meh it'll run its course
2011-03-05.log:22:02 < Tyrant> has done or working on?
2011-03-05.log:22:03 < Tyrant> i thought halcyon got all that funding for next gen
2011-03-05.log:22:03 < Tyrant> oh sorry misread
2011-03-05.log:22:03 < Tyrant> starting to do that a lot these days
2011-03-05.log:22:04 < Tyrant> that was the last innovation?
2011-03-05.log:22:04 < Tyrant> ybit, sparse at best
2011-03-14.log:21:57 < Tyrant> Sorry who does?
2011-03-14.log:21:57 < Tyrant> And yes that'd be great, thank you
2011-03-14.log:21:57 < Tyrant> I'll bee meeting him on the 2nd day of the final round so that'll really help
2011-03-14.log:21:59 < Tyrant> it's the way the world runs unfortunately
2011-03-14.log:22:05 < Tyrant> How does tom know Thiel?
2011-03-14.log:22:05 < Tyrant> Only tom mccabe's i've found are some really old guy
2011-03-14.log:22:17 < Tyrant> yale? nice
2011-03-14.log:22:18 < Tyrant> im curious to see the qualifications of all the other candidates
2011-03-14.log:22:18 < Tyrant> everyone i've heard of so far is like stanford, yale, mit, etc.
2011-03-14.log:22:22 < Tyrant> nice
2011-03-14.log:22:22 < Tyrant> lol
2011-03-14.log:22:24 < Tyrant> over what time period?
2011-03-14.log:22:26 < Tyrant> well i hope they converted on every oen of those clicks
2011-03-14.log:22:39 < Tyrant> well sucks for them
2011-03-26.log:20:10 < Tyrant> hey kanzure, did Thomas mccabe mention me like you said?
2011-03-26.log:20:12 < Tyrant> You said Thomas Mccabe could drop in a good word for me a little while ago
2011-03-26.log:20:12 < Tyrant> aww oh well
2011-03-31.log:15:08 < Tyrant> hows it going kanzure
2011-03-31.log:15:16 < Tyrant> Marcus is the open source agriculture guy?
2011-03-31.log:15:16 < Tyrant> ah
2011-03-31.log:15:17 < Tyrant> no he hasn't contacted me
2011-03-31.log:16:58 < Tyrant> Hey kanzure, know of any cool stuff on thingiverse that can be 3d printed/milled as a gift?
2011-03-31.log:17:02 < Tyrant> kanzure, looking for more stuff i can mill on a 4 axis cnc, not buy
2011-03-31.log:17:02 < Tyrant> its a gift for the organizers of the Thiel foundation
2011-03-31.log:17:05 < Tyrant> haha
2011-03-31.log:17:34 < Tyrant> kanzure, know of any repositories for CAD models in general?
2011-04-27.log:10:19 < Tyrant> hey kanzure
2011-04-27.log:10:20 < Tyrant> how's life
2011-04-28.log:15:25 < Tyrant> Hey kanzure
2011-04-28.log:18:34 < Tyrant> hey kanzure
2011-04-28.log:18:34 < Tyrant> that tag cloud you have was written in python right?
2011-04-28.log:19:17 < Tyrant> kanzure, can you link me to the source again?
2011-04-28.log:19:34 < Tyrant> alright thank yuo
2011-04-28.log:23:28 < Tyrant> nothing
2011-04-28.log:23:28 < Tyrant> it was free