- Human-gene-edited monkeys (“humonkeys”) were proposed as an experiment; participants debated whether such beings would be granted rights, exploited as labor, or euthanized, highlighting the absence of any coherent ethical or legal framework for transgenic human-ape chimeras.  
- A reported historical case of a human-chimpanzee hybrid that was allegedly euthanized was cited to illustrate society’s likely reaction to viable human-ape crosses.  
- Philosophical disagreement over agency and moral status dominated the day: one participant argued that only entities capable of experiencing pain and “connectedness to the universe” deserve rights, while another advanced a hard-determinist position that agency is an illusion and responsibility a social construct.  
- The discussion extended to artificial intelligences and corporations, with the claim that corporations already function as “slow AIs” running on human substrates, and that disembodied AIs placed in charge of companies would constitute dangerous new entities.  
- Predictive brain-imaging experiments (Libet-style readiness-potential studies) were invoked to support the view that decisions can be predicted before conscious awareness, reinforcing the determinist stance.  
- Practical transhumanist topics included keyboard remapping experiments (moving the Delete key between Right-Ctrl and Right-Alt) and the posting of a new transcript on Bitcoin Schnorr signatures (diyhpl.us wiki).  
- Gain-of-function virology research was framed as economically irrational: the combined cost of the research plus vaccine development and accidental-release risk exceeds the cost of simply vaccinating animal reservoirs, implying that such work is effectively biowarfare under academic cover.  
- Counter-arguments noted that vaccinating wild animals at scale is logistically implausible, although delivery via salt licks was suggested as a possible method.  
- Participants agreed that biowarfare programs will persist regardless of formal bans because they must keep pace with open academic science.