• A participant critiqued the “verb-like / noun-like” framing of identity systems as an overly academic abstraction, arguing that the real dystopian risks lie in under-developed zero-knowledge proofs, widespread mis-implementation, governments’ appetite for total data collection, and most identity standards failing to reveal the minimum necessary information for authentication.

• The same contributor emphasized that while the friction of invoking legal identity is a valid concern, the “people as verbs vs. nouns” metaphor does not illuminate or prevent the concrete technical and policy failures that threaten privacy and autonomy.

• A practical discussion on low-cost network filtering surfaced: squidproxy and mitmproxy were identified as viable tools, and a LinkedIn write-up (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/youtube-content-filtering-spartan-budget-sunil-tg-rvp8c/) was shared as a reference for implementing YouTube content filtering on a tight budget.

• The difficulty of deploying such filtering on consumer routers running FreshTomato firmware was highlighted, with the observation that even technically adept users find the process burdensome—suggesting a systemic usability gap that leaves non-technical users (e.g., “hillbilly trying to protect granny”) effectively unprotected.

• Anecdotal evidence of social-engineering scams was offered: one participant’s late grandmother independently verified a fraudulent “grandchild in Mexican jail” phone scam by checking the grandchild’s actual whereabouts, illustrating both the persistence of low-tech fraud and the value of simple verification habits.