* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
@ 2011-09-19 1:04 Luke-Jr
2011-09-19 3:22 ` Alex Waters
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From: Luke-Jr @ 2011-09-19 1:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
On Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:31:55 PM Amir Taaki wrote:
> Ideally these should go in a github.com/bitcoin/beps/ repo.
Please, somewhere people can freely commit to...
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-19 1:04 [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS) Luke-Jr
@ 2011-09-19 3:22 ` Alex Waters
2011-09-19 16:01 ` bgroff
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From: Alex Waters @ 2011-09-19 3:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke-Jr; +Cc: bitcoin-development
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/ is a good reference if you're
interested in seeing how PEPs work in action. I would be more than
willing to maintain a similar index if that's what people want.
Something to note is that Python does not use Git or GitHub (AFAIK).
So we would need to update 001 to reflect the BEP involvement with
Git, or transition away from it completely (which I discourage).
My full-time experience as a project manager with Basecamp, Redmine,
Teamlab, Pivotal Tracker, SVN, and custom VC has taught me that it is
hard to find a good solution for the organization of the development
life cycle. Having examined Bitcoin for the past three weeks, it is
hard to discern the willingness to implement meta changes.
It looks like Git/GitHub is working, but not ideal for everyone. My
opinion is that there will always be a missing feature in VC systems.
My major gripes with GitHub are the lack of prioritization options,
voting system, and reporting/metrics.
Gavin has asked me to research various O/S projects, to see how they
are doing things. I have been focused mostly on organizing a pull
testing system, and learning the testing process - but I can spend
more time on meta organization if that is in demand. It would be
helpful to me if I could hear some feedback on what needs changing,
and how important it is.
My recommendation is that we continue with the current system, but
plan alternative organization voting around the time of 0.5 release.
This could be an alternative to GitHub, or a supplement, or neither.
Seeing as we are still in Beta, I don't believe there needs immense
structure until we approach 1.0. The PEP system is outstanding, and is
clearly a solid alternative/supplement to consider.
-Alex
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-19 3:22 ` Alex Waters
@ 2011-09-19 16:01 ` bgroff
2011-09-19 16:57 ` Gavin Andresen
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From: bgroff @ 2011-09-19 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alex Waters; +Cc: bitcoin-development
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/ is a good reference if you're
> interested in seeing how PEPs work in action. I would be more than
> willing to maintain a similar index if that's what people want.
Would the multi-signature proposal be a good test case for BEP-0002?
https://gist.github.com/dba89537d352d591eb36
I can reformat it and email here.
Gavin has a competing one: https://gist.github.com/39158239e36f6af69d6f
and I have a pull request matching a previous version of my proposal.
--
Bobby Groff
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-19 16:01 ` bgroff
@ 2011-09-19 16:57 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-09-19 17:23 ` Alex Waters
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From: Gavin Andresen @ 2011-09-19 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
New 'standard' transaction forms would be perfect candidates for BEPS.
I think we aught to have a formal proposal to separate the protocol
version from the client version, too.
--
Does anybody besides me think maybe we should name them something
other than "BEP" ?
I'm worried we'll regret it in two years when a google for "BEP003"
takes you to the BitTorrent EPs instead of the BitCoin EPs.
Maybe "BIP" == Bitcoin Improvement Proposal
or "PEB" == Proposal to Enhance Bitcoin
or "BER" == Bitcoin Enhancement Request
I think I like "BIP" (PEB sounds like a diet soda, and I don't know
if BER should be pronounced "bear" or "beer").
I generally don't care about names, but it seems like a little
planning now might save some confusion later. And I don't want the
BitTorrent folks to get pissed off at us for 'stealing' their acronym,
either.
--
--
Gavin Andresen
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-19 16:57 ` Gavin Andresen
@ 2011-09-19 17:23 ` Alex Waters
2011-09-20 2:06 ` Amir Taaki
2011-09-23 19:45 ` Daniel F
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From: Alex Waters @ 2011-09-19 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gavin Andresen; +Cc: bitcoin-development
I'm sorry that I misunderstood the protocol being separate from the
client in regard to 'BEPS'. It definitely makes more sense that way.
As far as naming; I vote BER pronounced Beer.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Gavin Andresen
<gavinandresen@gmail•com> wrote:
> New 'standard' transaction forms would be perfect candidates for BEPS.
>
> I think we aught to have a formal proposal to separate the protocol
> version from the client version, too.
>
> --
>
> Does anybody besides me think maybe we should name them something
> other than "BEP" ?
>
> I'm worried we'll regret it in two years when a google for "BEP003"
> takes you to the BitTorrent EPs instead of the BitCoin EPs.
>
> Maybe "BIP" == Bitcoin Improvement Proposal
> or "PEB" == Proposal to Enhance Bitcoin
> or "BER" == Bitcoin Enhancement Request
>
> I think I like "BIP" (PEB sounds like a diet soda, and I don't know
> if BER should be pronounced "bear" or "beer").
>
> I generally don't care about names, but it seems like a little
> planning now might save some confusion later. And I don't want the
> BitTorrent folks to get pissed off at us for 'stealing' their acronym,
> either.
>
>
> --
> --
> Gavin Andresen
>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-19 16:57 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-09-19 17:23 ` Alex Waters
@ 2011-09-20 2:06 ` Amir Taaki
2011-09-23 19:45 ` Daniel F
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From: Amir Taaki @ 2011-09-20 2:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
Good idea.
How about BRC?
Bitcoin Request for Comments?
Otherwise I like the sound of BERs, but it doesn't matter too much the name.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail•com>
To: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
New 'standard' transaction forms would be perfect candidates for BEPS.
I think we aught to have a formal proposal to separate the protocol
version from the client version, too.
--
Does anybody besides me think maybe we should name them something
other than "BEP" ?
I'm worried we'll regret it in two years when a google for "BEP003"
takes you to the BitTorrent EPs instead of the BitCoin EPs.
Maybe "BIP" == Bitcoin Improvement Proposal
or "PEB" == Proposal to Enhance Bitcoin
or "BER" == Bitcoin Enhancement Request
I think I like "BIP" (PEB sounds like a diet soda, and I don't know
if BER should be pronounced "bear" or "beer").
I generally don't care about names, but it seems like a little
planning now might save some confusion later. And I don't want the
BitTorrent folks to get pissed off at us for 'stealing' their acronym,
either.
--
--
Gavin Andresen
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-19 16:57 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-09-19 17:23 ` Alex Waters
2011-09-20 2:06 ` Amir Taaki
@ 2011-09-23 19:45 ` Daniel F
2011-09-25 3:27 ` Amir Taaki
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From: Daniel F @ 2011-09-23 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gavin Andresen; +Cc: bitcoin-development
> Does anybody besides me think maybe we should name them something
> other than "BEP" ?
>
> I'm worried we'll regret it in two years when a google for "BEP003"
> takes you to the BitTorrent EPs instead of the BitCoin EPs.
this is an excellent "painting the bikeshed" question, so i cannot
resist participation :)
imo, anyone who has any business looking at the beps (which would
generally be technically-minded people), will be smart enough to
google for "bitcoin bep003" to find what he's looking for. so i don't
see an issue, whatever acronym we end up using.
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
2011-09-23 19:45 ` Daniel F
@ 2011-09-25 3:27 ` Amir Taaki
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From: Amir Taaki @ 2011-09-25 3:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
Hey,
Names aren't too important and people were in favour of BIPs. I've moved them from BEPs to BIPs (Bitcoin Improvement Proposals).
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel F <nanotube@gmail•com>
To: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail•com>
Cc: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
> Does anybody besides me think maybe we should name them something
> other than "BEP" ?
>
> I'm worried we'll regret it in two years when a google for "BEP003"
> takes you to the BitTorrent EPs instead of the BitCoin EPs.
this is an excellent "painting the bikeshed" question, so i cannot
resist participation :)
imo, anyone who has any business looking at the beps (which would
generally be technically-minded people), will be smart enough to
google for "bitcoin bep003" to find what he's looking for. so i don't
see an issue, whatever acronym we end up using.
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* [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Enhancement Proposals (BEPS)
@ 2011-09-19 0:31 Amir Taaki
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From: Amir Taaki @ 2011-09-19 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
I adapted the Python PEP 0001 to Bitcoin (its license is public domain):
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Enhancement_Proposals
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BEP_0001
BEP 0001 is open to additional authors and revisions.
Ideally these should go in a github.com/bitcoin/beps/ repo.
Lets have a standardisation track for changes to the protocol.
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