* [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
@ 2012-07-09 9:21 Amir Taaki
2012-07-09 9:36 ` Harald Schilly
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From: Amir Taaki @ 2012-07-09 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
Hey,
I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.
Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.
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2012-07-09 9:21 [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android Amir Taaki
@ 2012-07-09 9:36 ` Harald Schilly
2012-07-09 10:19 ` mats
2012-07-09 14:00 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: Harald Schilly @ 2012-07-09 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amir Taaki; +Cc: bitcoin-development
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com> wrote:
> Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.
yes:
http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/
and it is built upon
http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/
harald
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 9:21 [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android Amir Taaki
2012-07-09 9:36 ` Harald Schilly
@ 2012-07-09 10:19 ` mats
2012-07-09 10:44 ` Amir Taaki
2012-07-09 14:00 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: mats @ 2012-07-09 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
Sources are available here:
http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/
Mats
Quoting Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com>:
> Hey,
>
> I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we
> set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire
> sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it
> from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for
> review? I couldn't find it.
>
> Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.
>
>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 10:19 ` mats
@ 2012-07-09 10:44 ` Amir Taaki
2012-07-09 10:55 ` Andreas Schildbach
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From: Amir Taaki @ 2012-07-09 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
OK thanks. I just went and made those sections then saw your posts.
Anyway we have a section for proprietary clients now. Please tell me if anything looks disagreeable, http://bitcoin.org/clients.html
One thing I'm going to do is randomise the positioning order within sections upon refresh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mats@henricson•se" <mats@henricson•se>
To: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Cc:
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
Sources are available here:
http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/
Mats
Quoting Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com>:
> Hey,
>
> I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we
> set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire
> sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it
> from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for
> review? I couldn't find it.
>
> Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.
>
>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 10:44 ` Amir Taaki
@ 2012-07-09 10:55 ` Andreas Schildbach
2012-07-09 11:34 ` Jorge Timón
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From: Andreas Schildbach @ 2012-07-09 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
I'd suggest adding two links for each client.
One for getting the binary, and one for getting the source. (Obviously,
source being optional if you allow non-opensource clients.)
On 07/09/2012 12:44 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> OK thanks. I just went and made those sections then saw your posts.
>
> Anyway we have a section for proprietary clients now. Please tell me if anything looks disagreeable, http://bitcoin.org/clients.html
>
> One thing I'm going to do is randomise the positioning order within sections upon refresh.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mats@henricson•se" <mats@henricson•se>
> To: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
>
> Sources are available here:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/
>
> Mats
>
> Quoting Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com>:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we
>> set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire
>> sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it
>> from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for
>> review? I couldn't find it.
>>
>> Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Live Security Virtual Conference
>> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>> Bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>>
>
>
>
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> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
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>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 10:55 ` Andreas Schildbach
@ 2012-07-09 11:34 ` Jorge Timón
2012-07-09 13:11 ` slush
2012-07-09 13:46 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: Jorge Timón @ 2012-07-09 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schildbach; +Cc: bitcoin-development
Didn't even know that they were proprietary software bitcoin clients.
Should people trust them? Should the web promote them?
After all, you can't know what they do. What if one of them contains a
back door or something?
I would say it's better not risk to apologize later.
On 7/9/12, Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach•de> wrote:
> I'd suggest adding two links for each client.
>
> One for getting the binary, and one for getting the source. (Obviously,
> source being optional if you allow non-opensource clients.)
>
>
> On 07/09/2012 12:44 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
>> OK thanks. I just went and made those sections then saw your posts.
>>
>> Anyway we have a section for proprietary clients now. Please tell me if
>> anything looks disagreeable, http://bitcoin.org/clients.html
>>
>> One thing I'm going to do is randomise the positioning order within
>> sections upon refresh.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mats@henricson•se" <mats@henricson•se>
>> To: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 11:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
>>
>> Sources are available here:
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/bitcoin-wallet/
>>
>> Mats
>>
>> Quoting Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com>:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we
>>> set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire
>>> sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it
>>> from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for
>>> review? I couldn't find it.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, we should make a separate section for non-opensource clients.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Live Security Virtual Conference
>>> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
>>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond.
>>> Discussions
>>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in
>>> malware
>>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>>> Bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
>>
>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
>>
>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
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>>
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>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
>>
>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
>>
>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
>>
>
>
>
>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 11:34 ` Jorge Timón
@ 2012-07-09 13:11 ` slush
2012-07-09 13:46 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: slush @ 2012-07-09 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jorge Timón; +Cc: bitcoin-development, Andreas Schildbach
I agree. Just imagine those two-inches newspaper titles - "Bitcoin
hacked! Backdoor in official bitcoin client!". We have already some
experience with shortcuts which journalists do...
slush
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jorge Timón <timon.elviejo@gmail•com> wrote:
> Should the web promote them?
> After all, you can't know what they do. What if one of them contains a
> back door or something?
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 11:34 ` Jorge Timón
2012-07-09 13:11 ` slush
@ 2012-07-09 13:46 ` Gregory Maxwell
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Maxwell @ 2012-07-09 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jorge Timón; +Cc: bitcoin-development, Andreas Schildbach
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jorge Timón <timon.elviejo@gmail•com> wrote:
> Didn't even know that they were proprietary software bitcoin clients.
> Should people trust them? Should the web promote them?
> After all, you can't know what they do. What if one of them contains a
> back door or something?
> I would say it's better not risk to apologize later.
I agree too. Not that being open is _any_ guarantee, ideally we'd
want standards
of review and testing, but thats a bit much to ask for right now.
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 9:21 [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android Amir Taaki
2012-07-09 9:36 ` Harald Schilly
2012-07-09 10:19 ` mats
@ 2012-07-09 14:00 ` Gregory Maxwell
2012-07-09 14:12 ` Ben Reeves
2012-07-09 14:12 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: Gregory Maxwell @ 2012-07-09 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amir Taaki; +Cc: bitcoin-development
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.
I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but—
At the moment I'm strongly opposed to including any non-reviewable
client options (including centrally operated web services) on the
page, and I think this need to be discussed along with establishing
requirements.
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 14:00 ` Gregory Maxwell
@ 2012-07-09 14:12 ` Ben Reeves
2012-07-09 14:12 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: Ben Reeves @ 2012-07-09 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gregory Maxwell; +Cc: bitcoin-development
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Any chance the blockchain.info iphone app could be included on the clients page? The source is available under an lGPL license: https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet-iPhone. More info:https://blockchain.info/wallet/iphone-app
Also the javascript web front end can be reviewed using a combination of https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet and https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet-Integrity-Checker but I could see why that might be more of an issue for the the official site.
Thank You,
Ben Reeves
On 9 Jul 2012, at 15:00, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo•com> wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> I just saw this added to the clients page. One of the conditions we set for that page was that all the clients must have the entire sourcecode available for review, and users should be able to run it from the sourcecode. Is the sourcecode for this client available for review? I couldn't find it.
>
> I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but—
>
> At the moment I'm strongly opposed to including any non-reviewable
> client options (including centrally operated web services) on the
> page, and I think this need to be discussed along with establishing
> requirements.
>
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> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin Wallet for Android
2012-07-09 14:00 ` Gregory Maxwell
2012-07-09 14:12 ` Ben Reeves
@ 2012-07-09 14:12 ` Gregory Maxwell
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From: Gregory Maxwell @ 2012-07-09 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Amir Taaki; +Cc: bitcoin-development
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com> wrote:
> I've reverted these additions to the page, nothing personal but—
Er, to be clear, I left the android software in because the source is
available (And I'm told its had some review).
I removed the proprietary software section the plug for the
blockchain.info webservices, and the demotion of the armory client.
As far as criteria goes, I don't think we should list anything with a
security model weaker than SPV unless users can practically operate
their own servers. …and even that I'm a little uneasy with, because
most people will use the defaults. Ideally even thin clients would
have a near SPV security model, just without the bandwidth. But since
the alternative for thin clients is centralized web services the lower
standard will probably have better net results for now.
Nor do I think we should list anything which can't currently be
subjected to independent review of the whole stack (e.g. including the
server components in thinclients, unless the server is untrusted). In
the future this should be raised to there existing actual evidence of
third party review.
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