From: jl2012@xbt•hk
To: Mike Hearn <hearn@vinumeris•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Crossing the line? [Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!]
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:14:11 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <13429f00cbb7f361b4cdf309f0e063b3@xbt.hk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+w+GKTti0_edCPPPJ6ibZcphfi51MgKdndQy1kyi-0uEXCHRQ@mail.gmail.com>
According to the Oxford Dictionary, "coin" as a verb means "invent (a
new word or phrase)". Undoubtedly you created the first functional SPV
client but please retract the claim "I coined the term SPV" or that's
plagiarism.
And I'd like to highlight the following excerpt from the whitepaper:
"the simplified method can be fooled by an attacker's fabricated
transactions for as long as the attacker can continue to overpower the
network. One strategy to protect against this would be to accept alerts
from network nodes when they detect an invalid block, prompting the
user's software to download the full block and alerted transactions to
confirm the inconsistency."
Header only clients without any fraud detecting mechanism are functional
but incomplete SPV implementations, according to Sathoshi's original
definition. This might be good enough for the first generation SPV
wallet, but eventually SPV clients should be ready to detect any rule
violation in the blockchain, including things like block size (as
Satoshi mentioned "invalid block", not just "invalid transaction").
Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-10-02 08:23 寫到:
> FWIW the "coining" I am referring to is here:
>
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7972.msg116285#msg116285 [4]
>
> OK, with that, here goes. Firstly some terminology. I'm going to call
> these things SPV clients for "simplified payment verification".
> Headers-only is kind of a mouthful and "lightweight client" is too
> vague, as there are several other designs that could be described as
> lightweight like RPC frontend and Stefans WebCoin API approach
>
> At that time nobody used the term "SPV wallet" to refer to what apps
> like BreadWallet or libraries like bitcoinj do. Satoshi used the term
> "client only mode", Jeff was calling them "headers only client" etc.
> So I said, I'm going to call them SPV wallets after the section of the
> whitepaper that most precisely describes their operation.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-02 13:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-27 18:50 [bitcoin-dev] Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY! Peter Todd
2015-09-27 20:26 ` jl2012
2015-09-27 20:27 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-27 20:27 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-09-27 20:41 ` Btc Drak
2015-09-28 10:10 ` s7r
2015-09-28 10:48 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 11:00 ` Adam Back
2015-09-28 11:40 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 12:20 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-28 12:26 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 12:44 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-28 12:54 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-29 6:17 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-29 12:02 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 14:05 ` Btc Drak
2015-09-28 14:17 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 21:12 ` odinn
2015-09-28 22:16 ` Dave Scotese
2015-09-28 11:04 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-09-28 12:47 ` Tier Nolan
2015-09-28 13:01 ` Gavin Andresen
2015-09-28 13:28 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-28 13:43 ` Gavin Andresen
2015-09-28 14:14 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-28 13:21 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-28 13:41 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 14:29 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-28 14:33 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 14:43 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-28 14:51 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 15:05 ` Peter Todd
2015-09-28 15:38 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 16:52 ` jl2012
2015-09-28 17:14 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-28 23:17 ` Jorge Timón
2015-09-29 12:07 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-29 15:09 ` [bitcoin-dev] Why soft-forks? was: " Santino Napolitano
2015-09-29 13:30 ` [bitcoin-dev] " Jonathan Toomim (Toomim Bros)
2015-09-29 15:59 ` jl2012
2015-09-29 19:54 ` odinn
2015-09-29 18:31 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-30 17:11 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-30 17:58 ` Jorge Timón
2015-10-01 14:23 ` Tom Harding
2015-09-30 18:15 ` Adam Back
2015-09-30 19:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-09-30 19:56 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-30 20:37 ` Jorge Timón
2015-09-30 21:06 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-30 22:14 ` Jorge Timón
2015-10-01 0:11 ` Jorge Timón
2015-09-30 22:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-09-30 23:25 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-30 20:15 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-09-30 21:01 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-30 22:59 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-10-01 4:08 ` [bitcoin-dev] Crossing the line? [Was: Re: Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY!] Tao Effect
2015-10-01 16:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-10-01 20:17 ` Milly Bitcoin
2015-10-02 12:23 ` Mike Hearn
2015-10-02 13:14 ` jl2012 [this message]
2015-10-02 14:10 ` Marcel Jamin
2015-10-02 16:37 ` Gregory Maxwell
2015-10-07 15:00 ` [bitcoin-dev] Let's deploy BIP65 CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY! Anthony Towns
2015-10-07 15:46 ` Jonathan Toomim (Toomim Bros)
2015-10-07 16:02 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-10-07 16:25 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-10-07 16:26 ` Jonathan Toomim (Toomim Bros)
2015-10-07 16:38 ` Anthony Towns
2015-10-10 7:23 ` Anthony Towns
2015-10-12 7:02 ` digitsu
2015-10-12 16:33 ` Anthony Towns
2015-10-12 17:06 ` Anthony Towns
2015-10-13 0:08 ` digitsu
2015-09-29 20:03 ` Wladimir J. van der Laan
2015-09-30 4:05 ` Rusty Russell
2015-09-30 6:19 ` Adam Back
2015-09-30 12:30 ` Mike Hearn
2015-09-30 15:55 ` Jorge Timón
2015-09-30 19:17 ` John Winslow
2015-10-01 0:06 ` Rusty Russell
2015-09-30 17:14 ` Adam Back
2015-10-01 0:04 ` Rusty Russell
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