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• * Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
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  @ 2015-09-02 13:44 ` hurricanewarn1
    2015-09-02 19:21   ` Matt Whitlock
    0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
  From: hurricanewarn1 @ 2015-09-02 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: bitcoin-dev
  
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  42 in the whole world, and I'm one of them. Clearly that is a problem, do you even know about AT&T or are you in another country? Cause that statement is utterly ridiculous given the fact there are hundreds of millions of people using AT&T. I was simply sharing my knowledge on this issue since it poses a threat to the health of the bitcoin network, no need for personal attacks. 
  
  None of my accusations were false, there is a firewall in the DVR that is uncontrolled and all ports are blocked via private subnets and no fixed public IP allowed unless you pay. I confirmed every one of these details with AT&T technicians or I wouldn't be saying them.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Matt Whitlock <bip@mattwhitlock•name>
  To: hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol•com>
  Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 5:34 am
  Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
  
  
  According to BitNodes, 42 Bitcoin nodes are running on AT&T's
  network:
  
  https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=AT%26T
  
  So I'm thinking
  there's nothing wrong with AT&T's default network configuration.
  
  Frankly, the
  things you've been writing strongly suggest that you aren't very knowledgeable
  about computer networking. Instead of jumping right into making wild accusations
  about AT&T, you probably should find someone knowledgeable to verify your
  claims.
  
  
  On Wednesday, 2 September 2015, at 5:20 am, Zach G via bitcoin-dev
  wrote:
  > First off I couldn't synch the wallet, it said no block source
  available and there was zero connections. Bitcoin was literally getting thottled
  every second. It would not even allow the connection to get block source. EVERY
  port was blocked, making exceptions in the router firewall did nothing. I was
  forced to use Blockchain.info which is a major security risk.
  > 
  > Secondly, I
  am developing a program using Bitcoin Python modules, so I login to my computer
  like it's a server and it was flat out rejecting the connection. I could not run
  any code until this got fixed, and of course needed the block source to even do
  anything. 
  > 
  > If Bitcoin Core worked but 8333 was blocked I would not be
  emailing the list. Bitcoin Core was crippled and unusable due to the AT&T
  settings, and they tried hard to get me to buy monthly subscriptions to get the
  answer. This makes it likely that Bitcoin Core is unusable for most AT&T
  customers and other ISPs, hence the massive node decline. I'm sure this disrupts
  alot of other people besides Bitcoiners too, hence the monthly subscriptions
  geared towards people who can't figure out their connection situation.
  > 
  >
  AT&T literally blocked access to static IP if you don't buy one, so it wasn't a
  normal network setup. Unfortunately the same security used to stop hackers and
  viruses stops Bitcoin too, so this is probably the settings for almost every
  router in the country. Nodes are in fact declining worldwide, down 15% in the
  past year alone. Community needs to speak up and also educate before this gets
  completely out of control. https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/?days=365 6,000
  nodes is pathetic as it is and it's constantly declining.
  >  
  > 
  >  
  > 
  >
  -----Original Message-----
  > From: Matt Whitlock <bip@mattwhitlock•name>
  > To:
  hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol•com>
  > Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 4:32 am
  >
  Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via
  utilizing private subnets.
  > 
  > 
  > Respectfully, what the heck are you
  talking about? Practically every home LAN
  > runs on a private subnet. My own
  desktop computer has the IP address
  > 192.168.1.34, which is in a private
  subnet. This doesn't prevent my Bitcoin Core
  > node from making outbound
  connections to other nodes. Moreover, almost all home
  > Internet connections in
  the world run on dynamically assigned IP addresses.
  > Again, this does not
  cause any problems for connecting outbound to other Bitcoin
  > nodes. It's true
  that your node can't accept incoming connections unless you
  > forward port 8333
  on your router to your computer, but you don't need to be able
  > to accept
  incoming connections to participate in the Bitcoin network.
  > 
  > 
  > On
  >
  Wednesday, 2 September 2015, at 3:20 am, Zach G via bitcoin-dev wrote:
  > > 
  >
  >  I
  > was about to buy a VPS for Bitcoin, but I really do need Bitcoin Core
  for
  > business reasons so I didn't give up. I once again thoroughly went
  through my
  > computer and made sure there was nothing blocking 8333, a couple
  useful tools
  > are CurrPorts and TCPView. I went through the router to make
  sure there was no
  > block of port 8333. I researched everything thoroughly and
  was sure these were
  > the right settings, but Bitcoin was still getting
  throttled every second and
  > stuck in sys_sent, and python kept saying the
  target was rejecting the
  > connection.
  > > 
  > > I finally stumbled upon
  subnet settings, and saw that I had a
  > private subnet, one of the few IPs that
  are private on earth (
  > https://www.arin.net/knowledge/address_filters.html ).
  Uverse put all their
  > customers on a private subnet by default. This made my
  computer not only hidden
  > but unroutable for any computer on the Bitcoin
  network. That alone is enough to
  > totally stop Bitcoin connections on any
  port, but they made it even crazier by
  > generating a dynamic IP that changes
  all the time, so public IP was meaningless
  > for my computer. 
  > > 
  > > I
  switched over to a public subnet, and right there was
  > a checkbox to allow
  incoming connections. My static IP showed for a minute then
  > became
  dynamic/hidden again without me even touching anything. The final
  > roadblock
  was AT&T charges $15-30/month for a public static IP, which is
  > obviously
  insane and actually one could argue that violates their own terms of
  > service.
  So the router was still ignoring my public IP settings simply because I
  >
  wasn't paying for a public IP, and intentionally changing the settings back.
  I
  > asked for a free public IP and there was no response for awhile.
  > > 
  > >
  I found
  > this article on cryptocoinnews while working out:
  >
  https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/isps-intentionally-blocking-bitcoin/ It's
  based
  > on the first email I sent, and was displayed prominently on their front
  page. I
  > posted a tweet publicly about it which referenced AT&T (
  >
  https://twitter.com/turtlehurricane/status/638930065980551168 ) and believe
  it
  > or not I had a static public IP and port 8333 was open about 1 minute
  later. I
  > don't know if it was a coincidence cause I already messaged them to
  please do
  > that an hour before, or if that article and tweet spurred them to
  action. The
  > timing was so ridiculous I think it's the latter. Without twitter
  I probably
  > wouldn't have succeeded, the technicians on twitter actually
  answered all my
  > questions 24/7 unlike phone technicians which were clueless
  and trying to sell
  > me a subscription for connection services help. And shout
  out to cryptocoinnews
  > for making this public. 
  > > 
  > > So to clarify, it
  appears AT&T has not blocked
  > port 8333 itself, but rather effectively blocked
  all ports via the private
  > subnet, which makes the computer hidden and
  unroutable for incoming peers.
  > Although this severely limits functionality
  and cripples the ability to run a
  > full node and many other programs it is
  understandable, since it just about 100%
  > prevents hackers from getting in,
  since they can't even see your computer. What
  > isn't understandable is that
  AT&T technicians did not inform me about this until
  > I changed the settings
  myself, despite the fact it is a very obvious cause of
  > ports being blocked.
  It's probably just ignorance since AT&T has so many complex
  > network settings
  it's hard to keep track of, although I have a suspicion that
  > someone in their
  command chain is withholding information in an attempt to make
  > them buy a
  $15/month connection service, and once they buy that another
  > $15-30/month is
  needed to get the static IP.
  > > 
  > > As far as I know there is no
  > easy to
  find info on the internet about private subnets crippling the ability to
  > use
  Bitcoin. I believe this needs to be explicitly said in instructions for
  >
  running a full node, maybe it wasn't a problem in 2009 but now it is a major
  >
  issue. On default settings Bitcoin is 100% blocked, and most people do not
  have
  > the time or motivation to fix this. I talked to at least 10 AT&T
  technicians and
  > worked on it 2-3 days straight, did not receive the right
  answer until I found
  > it myself, although they certainly gave me some useful
  clues about how the
  > network works.
  > > 
  > > I am very happy that AT&T fixed
  it, since other ISPs like
  > Comcast appeared even worse. I openly talked with
  them about Bitcoin and they
  > showed no prejudice, might've actually made them
  more willing to help me cause
  > otherwise they would think I'm a hacker.
  > >
  
  > > tl;dr The good news is anyone
  > with AT&T can be a full node by getting a
  public static IP, the bad news is
  > almost no one will figure this out unless
  we as a community make it well known.
  > I guarantee node numbers will improve
  if this information is spread to everyone.
  > Database size and computing
  expenditures is simply not the reason people don't
  > run full nodes, it's
  because their ISP has made it just about impossible without
  > shelling out
  nearly 100% more money per month. If you don't pay the fee AT&T
  > would never
  tell you about the private subnet, at least based on my
  > experience.
  > > 
  >
  > 
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: odinn
  >
  <odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup•net>
  > > To: hurricanewarn1
  >
  <hurricanewarn1@aol•com>; bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
  >
  >
  > Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2015 3:16 am
  > > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has
  >
  effectively banned Bitcoin nodes by closing port 8333 via a hidden firewall
  in
  > the cable box
  > > 
  > > 
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  > 
  > > Another note on this subject
  > > to add to the stuff
  people have already
  > >
  > mentioned...
  > > 
  > > If you have the AT&T
  > >
  landline but don't use AT&T's
  > standard internet /
  > > tv (what they call
  Uverse)
  > > offering - that is, if you
  > prefer to use
  > > some local
  internet provider - you are
  > > probably better off
  > (in terms
  > > of
  avoiding not only this sort of
  > > blockage/censorship but as
  > well,
  > >
  potentially getting a better privacy policy
  > > that isn't going to
  > be
  > >
  like AT&T's long-term data retention).  You can check
  > > directly with
  > >
  >
  the various local small ISPs to see what their policies
  > > are
  > >
  specifically
  > on ports and whatnot.
  > > 
  > > Ideally your ISP should let
  >
  > you:
  > > 
  > > port
  > forward to SOMEPORTNUMBER for tcp and udp
  > > 
  > >
  (above may or may not
  > > be
  > helpful for some if you are using
  > >
  decentralized markets)
  > > 
  > > have port
  > 8333
  > > open
  > > 
  > > (above
  is for bitcoin of course)
  > > 
  > > Supposing you have
  > FTTN because you
  > >
  are paying a local ISP for
  > > internet service, and that
  > local ISP has
  contracted
  > > with AT&T to be
  > > able to provide service in an
  > area where
  old-style DSL has been
  > > phased
  > > out, thus your local ISP is
  >
  essentially providing you AT&T FTTN.
  > > (FTTN
  > > is Fiber to the Node,
  FTTN-BP
  > is FTTN Bonded Pair).  Even if a
  > > local ISP has
  > > its own
  privacy policy
  > posted which is different from
  > > AT&T, everything is
  > >
  subject to AT&T data
  > retention because the FTTN.
  > > So get yourself a VPN
  (or set
  > > up your own) for
  > your connection. Tor
  > > will run through the
  VPN.
  > > 
  > > General
  > > observations
  > - TWC stores your IP and other
  stuffs for 6
  > > months or longer. 
  > > Same for
  > Comcast.  Verizon retains
  your stuffs for
  > > 18 month minimum, probably
  > >
  > longer though.
  Qwest/Century, 1 year.
  > > Cox, 6 months.  AT&T retains for
  > longer
  > > than
  a year.  This is just
  > > what they are telling you, the reality
  > is it's
  >
  > probably longer due to
  > > stuff like
  > > this:
  > >
  >
  https://www.lawfareblog.com/odni-and-doj-release-last-section-215-collec
  > >
  >
  tion-order
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > Zach
  > >
  G via bitcoin-dev:
  > >
  > > I have been struggling to get port 8333 open all
  year, I
  > > gave up
  > > > and
  > was using blockchain for months despite a
  strong desire to
  > > stay
  > > > on
  > Bitcoin Core, but now the issue has
  reached critical mass since
  > > >
  > > I'm
  > using the python Bitcoin server
  module. I have literally spent
  > > > my entire
  > >
  > day trying to open 8333,
  I thoroughly made sure it was
  > > > open on the router
  > and
  > > computer and
  it's still closed. Strangely
  > > > enough I got it open for
  > 30 seconds
  > >
  once today but something closed
  > > > it immediately.
  > > > 
  > > >
  > After
  hours of phone
  > > calls and messaging AT&T finally told me the
  > > > truth
  >
  of what was going on, and
  > > only because I noticed it myself
  > > > and
  demanded
  > an answer. The internet is
  > > being routed through a
  > > >
  DVR/cable box, and
  > they confirmed the DVR also has a
  > > firewall. To
  > > >
  make this even more
  > absurd they refused to turn the firewall
  > > off
  > > >
  because it is their
  > equipment. So effectively they can firewall any
  > > >
  >
  > port they want even if
  > the customer asks them not to, in the
  > > >
  unlikely event
  > > the customer
  > figures it out.
  > > > 
  > > > Perhaps this
  is the driving force behind the
  > >
  > inexplicable and
  > > > massive decline
  in Bitcoin nodes. Bitcoin is being
  > censored
  > > by the
  > > > ISPs
  themselves, and they won't even tell you that. I
  > had to get in
  > > >
  > >
  touch with headquarters and threaten to rip it out of the
  > wall to
  > > > get
  a
  > > proper answer.
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > > 
  > > >
  >
  _______________________________________________
  > > bitcoin-dev mailing
  > > >
  list
  > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
  > > >
  > >
  >
  https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
  > > > 
  > > 
  >
  > -
  > --
  > > 
  > > http://abis.io ~
  > > "a protocol concept to enable
  decentralization
  > >
  > and
  > > expansion of a giving economy, and a new
  social
  > > good"
  > >
  > https://keybase.io/odinn
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• • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
      2015-09-02 13:44 ` [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets hurricanewarn1
    @ 2015-09-02 19:21   ` Matt Whitlock
      2015-09-02 20:31     ` hurricanewarn1
      2015-09-04  9:55     ` [bitcoin-dev] AT&T/ISPs making Bitcoin Core near impossible to use as a full node via hidden private dynamic IPs, not by specifically blocking 8333 or Bitcoin as stated in original email hurricanewarn1
      0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
    From: Matt Whitlock @ 2015-09-02 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: hurricanewarn1; +Cc: bitcoin-dev
    
    I've been trying to keep our discussion off-list because it is off-topic, but you keep adding the list back on in your replies.
    
    http://steamforge.net/wiki/images/2/29/Settings-Firewall-Advanced.png
    
    Settings > Firewall > Advanced Configuration > Outbound Protocol Control > All Other Protocols
    
    That's all you had to do.
    
    
    On Wednesday, 2 September 2015, at 9:44 am, Zach G via bitcoin-dev wrote:
    > 42 in the whole world, and I'm one of them. Clearly that is a problem, do you even know about AT&T or are you in another country? Cause that statement is utterly ridiculous given the fact there are hundreds of millions of people using AT&T. I was simply sharing my knowledge on this issue since it poses a threat to the health of the bitcoin network, no need for personal attacks. 
    > 
    > None of my accusations were false, there is a firewall in the DVR that is uncontrolled and all ports are blocked via private subnets and no fixed public IP allowed unless you pay. I confirmed every one of these details with AT&T technicians or I wouldn't be saying them.
    > 
    >  
    > 
    >  
    > 
    >  
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Matt Whitlock <bip@mattwhitlock•name>
    > To: hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol•com>
    > Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 5:34 am
    > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
    > 
    > 
    > According to BitNodes, 42 Bitcoin nodes are running on AT&T's
    > network:
    > 
    > https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=AT%26T
    > 
    > So I'm thinking
    > there's nothing wrong with AT&T's default network configuration.
    > 
    > Frankly, the
    > things you've been writing strongly suggest that you aren't very knowledgeable
    > about computer networking. Instead of jumping right into making wild accusations
    > about AT&T, you probably should find someone knowledgeable to verify your
    > claims.
    > 
    > 
    > On Wednesday, 2 September 2015, at 5:20 am, Zach G via bitcoin-dev
    > wrote:
    > > First off I couldn't synch the wallet, it said no block source
    > available and there was zero connections. Bitcoin was literally getting thottled
    > every second. It would not even allow the connection to get block source. EVERY
    > port was blocked, making exceptions in the router firewall did nothing. I was
    > forced to use Blockchain.info which is a major security risk.
    > > 
    > > Secondly, I
    > am developing a program using Bitcoin Python modules, so I login to my computer
    > like it's a server and it was flat out rejecting the connection. I could not run
    > any code until this got fixed, and of course needed the block source to even do
    > anything. 
    > > 
    > > If Bitcoin Core worked but 8333 was blocked I would not be
    > emailing the list. Bitcoin Core was crippled and unusable due to the AT&T
    > settings, and they tried hard to get me to buy monthly subscriptions to get the
    > answer. This makes it likely that Bitcoin Core is unusable for most AT&T
    > customers and other ISPs, hence the massive node decline. I'm sure this disrupts
    > alot of other people besides Bitcoiners too, hence the monthly subscriptions
    > geared towards people who can't figure out their connection situation.
    > > 
    > >
    > AT&T literally blocked access to static IP if you don't buy one, so it wasn't a
    > normal network setup. Unfortunately the same security used to stop hackers and
    > viruses stops Bitcoin too, so this is probably the settings for almost every
    > router in the country. Nodes are in fact declining worldwide, down 15% in the
    > past year alone. Community needs to speak up and also educate before this gets
    > completely out of control. https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/?days=365 6,000
    > nodes is pathetic as it is and it's constantly declining.
    
    
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  • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
        2015-09-02 19:21   ` Matt Whitlock
      @ 2015-09-02 20:31     ` hurricanewarn1
        2015-09-04  9:55     ` [bitcoin-dev] AT&T/ISPs making Bitcoin Core near impossible to use as a full node via hidden private dynamic IPs, not by specifically blocking 8333 or Bitcoin as stated in original email hurricanewarn1
        1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
      From: hurricanewarn1 @ 2015-09-02 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: bitcoin-dev
      
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      When you assume you make an ass out of you and me. That page doesn't even exist in my router, I don't have 2wire. The router I have is the one everyone is getting from uverse.
      
      Literally everything you said is incorrect. It is completely on topic as it pertains to Bitcoin Core functionality, 42 connections is nothing, and that's not how you fix it. If you're gonna call me out for being wrong at least be correct! I spent a lot of time fixing this and the info is useful cause this problem happens to a lot of people, so why obfuscate it with this nonsense. 
      
      AT&T u-verse as it is now is near impossible for bitcoin nodes, 42 in the world is absolutely pathetic considering they are among the top 2 ISPs in the USA. Thanks for proving my point.
      
       
      
       
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Matt Whitlock <bip@mattwhitlock•name>
      To: hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol•com>
      Cc: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
      Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 3:21 pm
      Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
      
      
      I've been trying to keep our discussion off-list because it is off-topic, but
      you keep adding the list back on in your
      replies.
      
      http://steamforge.net/wiki/images/2/29/Settings-Firewall-Advanced.png
      
      Settings
      > Firewall > Advanced Configuration > Outbound Protocol Control > All Other
      Protocols
      
      That's all you had to do.
      
      
      On Wednesday, 2 September 2015, at
      9:44 am, Zach G via bitcoin-dev wrote:
      > 42 in the whole world, and I'm one of
      them. Clearly that is a problem, do you even know about AT&T or are you in
      another country? Cause that statement is utterly ridiculous given the fact there
      are hundreds of millions of people using AT&T. I was simply sharing my knowledge
      on this issue since it poses a threat to the health of the bitcoin network, no
      need for personal attacks. 
      > 
      > None of my accusations were false, there is a
      firewall in the DVR that is uncontrolled and all ports are blocked via private
      subnets and no fixed public IP allowed unless you pay. I confirmed every one of
      these details with AT&T technicians or I wouldn't be saying them.
      > 
      >  
      >
      
      >  
      > 
      >  
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Matt Whitlock
      <bip@mattwhitlock•name>
      > To: hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol•com>
      > Sent:
      Wed, Sep 2, 2015 5:34 am
      > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively
      banned Bitcoin nodes via utilizing private subnets.
      > 
      > 
      > According to
      BitNodes, 42 Bitcoin nodes are running on AT&T's
      > network:
      > 
      >
      https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=AT%26T
      > 
      > So I'm thinking
      > there's
      nothing wrong with AT&T's default network configuration.
      > 
      > Frankly, the
      >
      things you've been writing strongly suggest that you aren't very
      knowledgeable
      > about computer networking. Instead of jumping right into making
      wild accusations
      > about AT&T, you probably should find someone knowledgeable
      to verify your
      > claims.
      > 
      > 
      > On Wednesday, 2 September 2015, at 5:20 am,
      Zach G via bitcoin-dev
      > wrote:
      > > First off I couldn't synch the wallet, it
      said no block source
      > available and there was zero connections. Bitcoin was
      literally getting thottled
      > every second. It would not even allow the
      connection to get block source. EVERY
      > port was blocked, making exceptions in
      the router firewall did nothing. I was
      > forced to use Blockchain.info which is
      a major security risk.
      > > 
      > > Secondly, I
      > am developing a program using
      Bitcoin Python modules, so I login to my computer
      > like it's a server and it
      was flat out rejecting the connection. I could not run
      > any code until this
      got fixed, and of course needed the block source to even do
      > anything. 
      > >
      
      > > If Bitcoin Core worked but 8333 was blocked I would not be
      > emailing the
      list. Bitcoin Core was crippled and unusable due to the AT&T
      > settings, and
      they tried hard to get me to buy monthly subscriptions to get the
      > answer.
      This makes it likely that Bitcoin Core is unusable for most AT&T
      > customers
      and other ISPs, hence the massive node decline. I'm sure this disrupts
      > alot
      of other people besides Bitcoiners too, hence the monthly subscriptions
      >
      geared towards people who can't figure out their connection situation.
      > > 
      >
      >
      > AT&T literally blocked access to static IP if you don't buy one, so it
      wasn't a
      > normal network setup. Unfortunately the same security used to stop
      hackers and
      > viruses stops Bitcoin too, so this is probably the settings for
      almost every
      > router in the country. Nodes are in fact declining worldwide,
      down 15% in the
      > past year alone. Community needs to speak up and also educate
      before this gets
      > completely out of control.
      https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/?days=365 6,000
      > nodes is pathetic as it
      is and it's constantly declining.
      
       
      
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    • * [bitcoin-dev] AT&T/ISPs making Bitcoin Core near impossible to use as a full node via hidden private dynamic IPs, not by specifically blocking 8333 or Bitcoin as stated in original email
        2015-09-02 19:21   ` Matt Whitlock
        2015-09-02 20:31     ` hurricanewarn1
      @ 2015-09-04  9:55     ` hurricanewarn1
        2015-09-04 13:47       ` Bastiaan van den Berg
        1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
      From: hurricanewarn1 @ 2015-09-04  9:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: bitcoin-dev
      
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      I sent out an email after 48 hours of dealing with trying to open up my ports for Bitcoin, I was quite frustrated and angry since I had to call like 10 times and I was making zero progress. Most of the AT&T people didn't give me any helpful clues on how to fix the situation. The original email described how there is a firewall in the DVR, and I thought it was blocking the ports. It is true there is a uncontrollable firewall in the DVR, it is false this blocks 8333.
      
      The actual problem is due to AT&T Uverse customers being forced to use a private dynamic IP, the IP is literally hidden from the internet, so it isn't possible to send any requests at it. It will literally ignore pings across all ports. So the solution is to switch to public static IP and make sure you allow incoming traffic. 
      
      It's not so simple though, AT&T will not let you have a public static IP without paying. I've had my router reset 10 times today by AT&T (probably automatically) and it comes back with a private dynamic IP. Then I have to reset it to use public IP and that lasts less than an hour. It literally went from open to closed while typing this email... the IP address went from public to private dynamic. 
      
      https://i.gyazo.com/3c732687fc3d21acb7d62f6d0e23a346.png
      
      This is making using Bitcoin Core almost impossible. I'm at least getting some synch now but maybe a few days of blocks the entire day, cause I can't sit here all day with the computer and keep fixing it.
      
      The proof is in the pudding, there are 37 nodes using AT&T in the ENTIRE world. AT&T is a massive ISP so this is strong evidence that using Bitcoin Core as a full node on AT&T is extremely difficult and actually just about impossible.
      
      https://i.gyazo.com/90beebe056f5fc338165e8d200536c06.png
      
      The other big ISPs have pathetic numbers also due to the same sort've things that AT&T does, but at least Comcast has 400 nodes. AT&T is much harder to use than any other ISP I've dealt with when it comes to Bitcoin Core.
      
      I apologize for sending out the wrong info the first time, although it is still worth noting the DVR firewall is out of your control, which might be a problem if not now then in the future. In any case AT&T has effectively blocked full nodes for Bitcoin Core via the private subnet, and the disability to change it to public without paying $15 more per month, and buying a $15 connection service so they will give you that info (if you dont pay the connection 'specialists' hang up on you). 
      
      It is important to note this is not Bitcoin specific, but effects every program that depends on freely open ports. I don't think AT&T has anything against Bitcoin, it's just their security settings and policies have disabled Bitcoin Core for most customers. Also important to note this isn't a problem specific to AT&T, all the big ISPs are doing similar things. I believe the changes in ISP protocol are the main driving force behind the massive decline in Bitcoin nodes. Another big factor is firewalls, most people can't even remove the firewalls enough to open ports at will. The community needs to educate people on how to use Bitcoin Core when facing these intensifying security measures, or the decline of node numbers will continue.
      
       
      
       
      
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    • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T/ISPs making Bitcoin Core near impossible to use as a full node via hidden private dynamic IPs, not by specifically blocking 8333 or Bitcoin as stated in original email
          2015-09-04  9:55     ` [bitcoin-dev] AT&T/ISPs making Bitcoin Core near impossible to use as a full node via hidden private dynamic IPs, not by specifically blocking 8333 or Bitcoin as stated in original email hurricanewarn1
        @ 2015-09-04 13:47       ` Bastiaan van den Berg
          0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
        From: Bastiaan van den Berg @ 2015-09-04 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: bitcoin-dev
        
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        On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Zach G via bitcoin-dev <
        bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
        
        > It's not so simple though, AT&T will not let you have a public static IP
        > without paying.
        
        
        Not sure, but, what part of bitcoin development are you addressing in this
        email?
        
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        buZz
        
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