* [bitcoindev] BIP Draft: "ChillDKG: Distributed Key Generation for FROST"
@ 2024-07-08 20:05 Tim Ruffing
2024-07-16 16:43 ` David A. Harding
2024-12-19 10:56 ` Tim Ruffing
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From: Tim Ruffing @ 2024-07-08 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoindev
Jonas Nick and I have been working on a BIP draft for Distributed Key
Generation for FROST Threshold Signatures, which we would like to
propose to the community for discussion. The draft contains a
description of the design considerations, detailed usage instructions,
and a reference implementation in Python, which we intend to be the
definitive specification. The document and the code currently live at:
https://github.com/BlockstreamResearch/bip-frost-dkg
We're looking forward to feedback from the community.
Things still to do include:
* Specifying the wire format
* Test vectors
* Possibly any extensions currently mentioned as TODO in the draft
(e.g., identifiable aborts)
* Extracting the included secp256k1proto as a proper Python package
Of course, a BIP for FROST *signing* will also be required to make use
of FROST, and we know that one is in the works.
Best,
Jonas and Tim
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* Re: [bitcoindev] BIP Draft: "ChillDKG: Distributed Key Generation for FROST"
2024-07-08 20:05 [bitcoindev] BIP Draft: "ChillDKG: Distributed Key Generation for FROST" Tim Ruffing
@ 2024-07-16 16:43 ` David A. Harding
2024-07-16 17:31 ` Jonas Nick
2024-12-19 10:56 ` Tim Ruffing
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From: David A. Harding @ 2024-07-16 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tim Ruffing; +Cc: bitcoindev
On 2024-07-08 10:05, Tim Ruffing wrote:
> Jonas Nick and I have been working on a BIP draft for Distributed Key
> Generation for FROST Threshold Signatures
Thank you Tim and Jonas! This looks amazing! One quick question; you
write:
> Simple backups: The capability of ChillDKG to recover devices from a
> static seed and public recovery data avoids the need for secret
> per-session backups, enhancing user experience.
By "public recovery data", I assume you mean that security is not
weakened by the data being made public. However, are there any privacy
implications? For comparison, if everyone knows what BIP32 HD path I
use, that doesn't weaken my privacy; but if everyone knows my BIP32
xpub, that pretty much destroys my onchain privacy. Where (if anywhere)
does ChillDKG recovery data fall on this spectrum?
Thanks again!,
-Dave
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* Re: [bitcoindev] BIP Draft: "ChillDKG: Distributed Key Generation for FROST"
2024-07-16 16:43 ` David A. Harding
@ 2024-07-16 17:31 ` Jonas Nick
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From: Jonas Nick @ 2024-07-16 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David A. Harding, Tim Ruffing; +Cc: bitcoindev
Thanks Dave. There are indeed potential privacy implications of the recovery
data because only the secret shares are encrypted. Most importantly, the
recovery data contains in plaintext:
- the long-term "host" public keys of the participants
- the final threshold public key that is the result of the DKG
For example, we could imagine a scenario where a DKG participant puts their
recovery data on a cloud hoster and an adversary is able to obtain it. Then the
adversary could use to contained threshold public key to associate on-chain
transactions with the victim.
However, there's nothing preventing the participants from encrypting the
recovery data before backing it up. We do not specify that encryption in the BIP
because it is an operation local to the participants and does not affect the
communication between them. But now that you mention this, I think we should be
a bit more clear in the BIP (and don't call the recovery data "public"). For
example, it may make sense to use the DKG protocol seed to derive an encryption
key, so you don't have to backup any secret data besides the seed.
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* Re: [bitcoindev] BIP Draft: "ChillDKG: Distributed Key Generation for FROST"
2024-07-08 20:05 [bitcoindev] BIP Draft: "ChillDKG: Distributed Key Generation for FROST" Tim Ruffing
2024-07-16 16:43 ` David A. Harding
@ 2024-12-19 10:56 ` Tim Ruffing
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From: Tim Ruffing @ 2024-12-19 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoindev; +Cc: Jonas Nick
We made many changes, improvements, and cleanups to our BIP draft since
our first announcement to this mailing list. From the Changelog:
0.2.0 (2024-12-19): In addition to various readability improvements to
specification and reference implementation, the following major changes
were implemented:
* Fix security vulnerability where the CertEq signature did not cover
the entire message.
* Add blame functionality to identify faulty parties, including an
investigation phase.
* Make threshold public key Taproot-safe by default.
* Let each participant encrypt the secret share intended for
themselves so that it can be decrypted instead of re-derived during
recovery. The encryption is symmetric to avoid the overhead of an
ECDH computation.
The current version of the full BIP draft can be found here:
https://github.com/BlockstreamResearch/bip-frost-dkg
We are still actively looking for feedback of any kind (here or in our
GitHub repo). This includes feedback from potential users and
applications (e.g., wallets). We'd be very interested to hear if our
design decisions and the API fit potential applications, or what can be
improved to make them fit more.
Things still to do include:
* Specifying the wire format
* Adding test vectors
We are in touch with siv2r, the author of a BIP draft for FROST signing
( https://github.com/siv2r/bip-frost-signing ) to keep the proposals in
sync and compatible with each other.
As we want to open a PR to the BIPs repo soon, here's a specific issue
that we'd like to hear the community's and in particular the BIP
editors' opinion on:
Our protocol specification is Python code. It relies on a package
"secp256k1proto", which contains simple prototype operations of basic
buildings block of the protocol that we assume given, e.g., an
implementation of the secp256k1 elliptic curve and BIP340 signatures.
While secp256k1proto is technically not part of the BIP, it will be
necessary to run the reference implementation. We plan to extract this
code into a proper package and make it available via the the Python
Package Index (PyPI). However, we are unsure what this would for files
associated to our BIP in the BIPs repo. These are the possibilities we
considered:
1. Keep a "git-subtree" of secp256k1proto along with the reference
implementation in the BIPs repo.
2. The same as 1., but make it a "git submodule".
3. Only refer to an external package secp256k1proto + version number
(or hash) in the reference implementation, possibly with
descriptions of what the imported functionality does (e.g., if
our reference implementation uses the "+" operator on EC points,
we'd write down that this is supposed to implement point
addition).
Our current thinking is that option 1 is the best. It has the advantage
that the BIPs repo will be fully self-contained and serves as a
definitive archive.
Option 2 is worse in terms of archival. git submodules are not
guaranteed to be included in clones, and we'd need to host the
submodule somewhere else. Moreover, git submodules can be a mess.
Option 3 is possible and keeps the BIPs repo lean, but we believe that
keeping the repo lean should not be a primary concern. Moreover, if we
want to add human-readable descriptions of the functionality we use
from secp256k1proto, the most natural and convenient way do this is via
Python docstrings, but these will require shipping the actual code
(option 1 or 2), since there is no pythonic way to specify just an
interface without its implementations similar to, e.g., C header files.
Best,
Jonas and Tim
On Mon, 2024-07-08 at 22:05 +0200, Tim Ruffing wrote:
> > Jonas Nick and I have been working on a BIP draft for Distributed
Key
> > Generation for FROST Threshold Signatures, which we would like to
> > propose to the community for discussion. The draft contains a
> > description of the design considerations, detailed usage
> > instructions,
> > and a reference implementation in Python, which we intend to be the
> > definitive specification. The document and the code currently live
> > at:
> >
> >
[https://github.com/BlockstreamResearch/bip-frost-dkg](https://github.com/BlockstreamResearch/bip-frost-dkg)
> >
> > We're looking forward to feedback from the community.
> >
> > Things still to do include:
> > * Specifying the wire format
> > * Test vectors
> > * Possibly any extensions currently mentioned as TODO in the draft
> > (e.g., identifiable aborts)
> > * Extracting the included secp256k1proto as a proper Python
package
> >
> > Of course, a BIP for FROST *signing* will also be required to make
> > use
> > of FROST, and we know that one is in the works.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jonas and Tim
> >
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