From: Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail•com>
To: Joel Joonatan Kaartinen <joel.kaartinen@gmail•com>
Cc: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Protocol extensions
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:46:54 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201112221446.54526.andyparkins@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1324556083.30850.13.camel@mei>
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On 2011 December 22 Thursday, Joel Joonatan Kaartinen wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 11:52 +0000, Andy Parkins wrote:
> > Why should they have to? Joining the network as a node is very low cost
> > to the other nodes. You can't force any node not to be lazy, since
> > their option is to disconnect themselves. As to maliciousness, that is
> > defended against because when a node negative announces a transaction,
> > that transaction is going to be checked (note that there is still no
> > implicit trust) -- if a node is incorrectly negative-announcing then it
> > can justifiably be kicked.
>
> a node that is not doing any checking themselves can not reliably
> forward failed verifications without getting the blame for doing faulty
> work. Those nodes would then have the incentive not to relay the failed
> verifications. This ends up making it important to know which nodes will
> be checking transactions or not so you don't isolate yourself from other
> nodes that are also checking transactions.
Yes; I appreciate that. It's the very point I'm making. A node can choose
what work to do, and should have a way of forwarding the results of that work
to other nodes. Transaction verifification is the main one.
Once a negative-announce message exists, it wouldn't be hard to have the other
two you need as well: positive-announce and neutral-announce. At present we
have only neutral-announce. However, as the need for super nodes and
distributed verification gets bigger, having the forwarder able to offer an
opinion on the quality of a transaction seems ideal to me. Dishonesty will
get you isolated pretty quickly if you use positive-announce and negative-
announce to lie.
The problem with this is that it requires a web of trust as well as a web of
connections. The only way to gain an advantage from this classified
forwarding is if you have some way of assigning enough trust so that you can
forward a classified transaction _without_ checking it yourself. That doesn't
sound like an easy problem though.
Andy
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Dr Andy Parkins
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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-12-17 7:41 Eric Lombrozo
2011-12-17 13:13 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-17 13:37 ` Christian Decker
[not found] ` <CABsx9T0puk3CWH1cfNHMSVEoCPaLJJWNJ+H5ObCERZrzMbrTyA@mail.gmail.com>
2011-12-17 19:06 ` Gavin Andresen
2011-12-17 21:49 ` theymos
2011-12-18 0:44 ` Jordan Mack
2011-12-18 1:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2011-12-18 1:27 ` Jordan Mack
2011-12-18 14:16 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-18 17:09 ` theymos
2011-12-18 18:06 ` Alan Reiner
2011-12-18 18:47 ` Amir Taaki
2011-12-18 19:37 ` Jorge Timón
2011-12-17 19:28 ` Gregory Maxwell
2011-12-17 20:34 ` Christian Decker
2011-12-18 21:19 ` Stefan Thomas
2011-12-19 21:43 ` Jordan Mack
2011-12-20 9:10 ` Wladimir
2011-12-20 10:44 ` Nicolas Fischer
2011-12-21 0:47 ` Kyle Henderson
2011-12-21 8:50 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-21 11:42 ` Eric Lombrozo
2011-12-21 12:41 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-21 16:10 ` Christian Decker
2011-12-22 9:18 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-22 10:12 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-22 10:27 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-22 11:52 ` Andy Parkins
2011-12-22 12:14 ` Joel Joonatan Kaartinen
2011-12-22 12:26 ` Christian Decker
2011-12-22 12:42 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-22 14:46 ` Andy Parkins [this message]
2011-12-25 2:55 ` Zell Faze
2011-12-21 17:17 ` Jordan Mack
2011-12-22 9:19 ` Michael Grønager
2011-12-21 6:19 Eric Lombrozo
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