From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed•org>
To: Drak <drak@zikula•org>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Dedicated server for bitcoin.org, your thoughts?
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:38:17 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140103173817.GN3180@nl.grid.coop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANAnSg0esEMQ+G=9F2zK6okcewT6NdYBFnXHmyHz8VR4AAp0nw@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:59:15AM +0000, Drak wrote:
> On 3 January 2014 05:45, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed•org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 05:48:06AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Drak <drak@zikula•org> wrote:
> > > > The NSA has the ability, right now to change every download of
> > bitcoin-qt,
> > > > on the fly and the only cure is encryption.
> >
> > No, the only cure is the check the hashes. We should know something
> > about hashes here. TLS is a big pile of 'too big to audit'. Spend
> > a couple of satoshis and put the hash of the source tar.gz and the
> > binaries in the blockchain. Problem solved.
>
>
> Which is why, as pointed out several times at 30c3 by several renowned
> figures, why cryptography has remained squarely outside of mainstream use.
> It needs to just work and until you can trust the connection and what the
> end point sends you, automatically, it's a big fail and the attack vectors
> are many.
>
> <sarcasm>I can just see my mother or grandma manually checking the hash of
> a download... </sarcasm>
'make' should check the hash. The binary should check it's own hash. The
operating system should check the hash.
How about if I sell your Grandma an android table loaded only with free
software, and use the existing infrastructure android provides to only
allow software to be installed that can be integrity-verified from a
public key that can be downloaded from the blockchain?
Would you pay $50 (or 2 litecoin) more for at tablet with free software
that protects you and your grandma's interests, rather than selling them
to google/apple/microsoft?
I'm working on eventually being able to build hardware for which the
entire design specifications, from case to cpu core verilog, all they way
up to the pre-installed cryptographic currency wallet(s) are all signed
and released as part of the Debian archive.
But I need people like you to explain to your Grandma why this hardware
costs more than hardware that monetizes eyeballs and sells your private
information to the highest bidder.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-03 17:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-12-08 1:17 Saïvann Carignan
2013-12-08 3:38 ` Odinn Cyberguerrilla
2013-12-08 9:03 ` Saïvann Carignan
2013-12-08 12:37 ` Luke-Jr
2013-12-08 19:16 ` Drak
2013-12-08 19:25 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-08 20:28 ` Mike Hearn
2013-12-08 20:40 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-08 20:51 ` Drak
2013-12-08 21:01 ` Luke-Jr
2013-12-08 21:11 ` Drak
2013-12-08 23:51 ` theymos
2013-12-09 0:06 ` Taylor Gerring
2013-12-09 6:29 ` Jeremy Spilman
2013-12-09 10:54 ` Roy Badami
2013-12-10 9:18 ` Odinn Cyberguerrilla
2013-12-08 21:09 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-08 21:16 ` Saïvann Carignan
2013-12-08 21:58 ` Roy Badami
2013-12-08 23:03 ` Mike Hearn
2013-12-09 5:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-12-08 22:44 ` Gavin Andresen
2013-12-08 23:48 ` Saïvann Carignan
2013-12-08 23:18 ` Luke-Jr
2013-12-08 23:29 ` Patrick
2013-12-08 21:46 ` Mark Friedenbach
2013-12-08 20:40 ` Drak
2013-12-08 20:50 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-08 21:07 ` Drak
2013-12-08 21:14 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-08 22:27 ` Robert McKay
2013-12-12 20:51 ` Adam Back
2013-12-31 13:39 ` Drak
2013-12-31 13:48 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-31 13:59 ` Mike Hearn
2013-12-31 14:18 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-31 14:23 ` Mike Hearn
2013-12-31 21:25 ` Jeremy Spilman
2013-12-31 21:33 ` Matt Corallo
2014-01-01 10:02 ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-01 11:37 ` Wladimir
2014-01-01 15:10 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-01 22:15 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-02 19:49 ` Jorge Timón
2013-12-31 14:05 ` Benjamin Cordes
2014-01-03 5:45 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-01-03 9:59 ` Drak
2014-01-03 11:22 ` Tier Nolan
2014-01-03 13:09 ` Adam Back
2014-01-03 17:38 ` Troy Benjegerdes [this message]
2014-01-03 18:21 ` Jorge Timón
2014-01-04 1:43 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2013-12-08 10:00 ` Drak
2013-12-08 12:39 ` Luke-Jr
2013-12-08 16:51 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-12-08 16:08 ` Wladimir
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