From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd•org>
To: Benjamin <benjamin.l.cordes@gmail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 19:47:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150612184734.GH19199@muck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOoPuRaRMbY++Ys-D-k+Kb_oGLj9H8hKOty94Z2scU5u=jZsoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Benjamin wrote:
> This is a misguided idea, to say the least. If such a mechanism of of
> user input would be possible, one would use it for transaction
> verification in the first place. In proof-of-stake outcomes are
> determined by vote by stake (that vote has very different
> characteristics than vote by compute power). There is no such thing as
> making it possible to determine what "users want". That's what the
> proof-of-work mechanism does in the first place, only that it is now
> unfortunately skewed/corrupted/(whatever you want to call it). Before
> centralization the concept of "miners" didn't exist in Bitcoin and
> miners were roughly identical to users. Peer-to-Peer implies only one
> class of users.
>
> A big problem with such a vote (in PoW and PoS): miners get paid for
> their work and have incentives to raise fees. Those who pay fees would
> have no say in whether those fees are fair or not. Transaction
> verification has to be roughly profitable, but there is no fixed
> formula for determining profitability.
Read John Dillon's proposal then, which via proof-of-stake explicitly
approportions control of increases via % of Bitcoin owned.
Anyway, representing everyone is never going to be easy, but at least
this nVersion thing is very easy to implement.
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-12 18:11 Peter Todd
2015-06-12 18:20 ` Mark Friedenbach
2015-06-12 18:26 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-12 18:36 ` Peter Todd
2015-06-12 18:56 ` Jannes Faber
[not found] ` <CABr1YTfowMqgDZoWhDXiM0Bd3dwhVo6++FOvLntGc2HkApEbGw@mail.gmail.com>
2015-06-12 20:04 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-12 23:01 ` Vincent Truong
2015-06-12 23:11 ` Luke Dashjr
2015-06-12 23:23 ` Aaron Gustafson
2015-06-12 18:22 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-12 18:34 ` Peter Todd
2015-06-12 18:36 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-12 18:39 ` Benjamin
2015-06-12 18:47 ` Peter Todd [this message]
2015-06-12 18:44 ` Peter Todd
2015-06-12 18:52 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-12 18:54 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-06-12 18:56 ` Aaron Gustafson
2015-06-13 22:20 ` Danny Thorpe
2015-06-13 22:24 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-14 4:55 ` Chun Wang
2015-06-14 4:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-14 5:08 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-14 5:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-14 5:20 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-14 5:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-14 10:06 ` Mats Henricson
2015-06-14 10:34 ` Benjamin
2015-06-14 15:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-14 21:59 ` odinn
2015-06-14 20:10 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-14 14:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-14 22:26 ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-15 3:59 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-14 4:16 ` Stephen
2015-06-14 4:50 ` Eric Lombrozo
2015-06-14 4:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-14 7:19 ` Ashley Holman
2015-06-13 23:57 Raystonn
2015-06-14 4:28 ` odinn
2015-06-14 5:46 ` Aaron Voisine
2015-06-14 21:38 ` odinn
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