* [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
@ 2015-06-27 22:21 grarpamp
2015-06-27 23:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-29 1:49 ` Andy Schroder
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: grarpamp @ 2015-06-27 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-dev
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44@gmail•com> wrote:
> If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails ...
... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
<laanwj@gmail•com> wrote:
> Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary releases
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
This misfeature needs to be disabled.
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail•com> wrote:
> archives will be exported
> and imported into the new list server
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r@sky-ip•org> wrote:
> Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
> mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
> provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
> ...
As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example...
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
(Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
postprocess them into usable form.
Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
418 attachment.html
106 attachment.sig
6 attachment.jpe
4 attachment.png
2 attachment.bin
d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
case is here:
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
thanks you :)
Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com> wrote:
> Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
2015-06-27 22:21 [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc grarpamp
@ 2015-06-27 23:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-29 2:27 ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-07-03 22:07 ` Peter Todd
2015-06-29 1:49 ` Andy Schroder
1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jeff Garzik @ 2015-06-27 23:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: grarpamp; +Cc: bitcoin-dev
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Generally agreed w/ all this.
To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox
archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail•com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44@gmail•com> wrote:
> > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails
> ...
>
> ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
> favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
> canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
> <laanwj@gmail•com> wrote:
> > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary
> releases
>
>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>
> As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
> archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
> try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
> it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
> code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
>
> Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
> Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
> efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
> addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
>
> This misfeature needs to be disabled.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail•com>
> wrote:
> > archives will be exported
> > and imported into the new list server
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com>
> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r@sky-ip•org> wrote:
> > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
> > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
> > provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
>
> Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
> interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
> authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
> And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
> downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
> project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
> sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
> > ...
>
> As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
>
> a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example...
>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
> b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
> for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
> preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
> (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
> c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
> data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
> of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
> which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
> version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
> users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
> postprocess them into usable form.
> Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
> 418 attachment.html
> 106 attachment.sig
> 6 attachment.jpe
> 4 attachment.png
> 2 attachment.bin
> d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
> in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
> case is here:
>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
>
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
>
>
>
> Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
> archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
> thanks you :)
>
> Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com>
> wrote:
> > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
>
> Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
> the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
2015-06-27 22:21 [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc grarpamp
2015-06-27 23:54 ` Jeff Garzik
@ 2015-06-29 1:49 ` Andy Schroder
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andy Schroder @ 2015-06-29 1:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: grarpamp, bitcoin-dev
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Although I'd say your writing style is a bit unfriendly and hard to
identify/unclear at the specifics of some of your complaints, I do agree
with many of your points.
I really have no idea what format the .txt.gz files are in that are on
the current archive. If you unzip them, they are not text tiles.
gmane was able to change the subscription of the previous list to the
current list. So, anyone who had a newsreader setup, it should be
working again. There is some gap in their archive at the beginning of
the archive, as well as last week while the list was transitioned. They
requested a link to a single mbox file archive that they can use to
restore the list archive in it's entirety. Anyone know how we can get
this? The reference to another mailing list below
(https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/) has such a link on its
archive page. It looks like the same interface so maybe that feature can
just be turned on? I'm not sure if it gzips the mbox file on the fly
whenever an http request is made or if it has some schedule and may be
missing a few of the most recent messages?
Also, regarding the footer, if it can't be changed on a per user basis,
I'd vote to get rid of it. Anyone with a reasonably powered brain can go
to lists.linuxfoundation.org and find a way to get to the bitcoin-dev
mailing list page. The information provided in the footer is also
included in the email message headers as well. It's also included in the
welcome e-mail when someone subscribes to the list.
Andy Schroder
On 06/27/2015 06:21 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44@gmail•com> wrote:
>> If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails ...
> ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
> favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
> canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
> <laanwj@gmail•com> wrote:
>> Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary releases
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>
> As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
> archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
> try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
> it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
> code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
>
> Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
> Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
> efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
> addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
>
> This misfeature needs to be disabled.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail•com> wrote:
>> archives will be exported
>> and imported into the new list server
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r@sky-ip•org> wrote:
>> Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
>> mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
>> provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
> Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
> interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
> authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
> And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
> downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
> project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
> sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
>> ...
> As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
>
> a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another example...
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
> b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
> for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
> preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
> (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
> c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
> data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
> of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
> which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
> version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
> users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
> postprocess them into usable form.
> Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
> 418 attachment.html
> 106 attachment.sig
> 6 attachment.jpe
> 4 attachment.png
> 2 attachment.bin
> d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
> in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
> case is here:
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
>
>
>
> Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
> archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
> thanks you :)
>
> Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com> wrote:
>> Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
> Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
> the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
>
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
2015-06-27 23:54 ` Jeff Garzik
@ 2015-06-29 2:27 ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-07-16 4:57 ` grarpamp
2015-07-03 22:07 ` Peter Todd
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Warren Togami Jr. @ 2015-06-29 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-dev
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
June 28th, 2015
Mailman's obscure_addresses option is now disabled. It has been pretty
useless
as a spam mitigation measure anyway.
This is a test message to see if mailman continues to break --clearsign GPG
signatures for messages that contain an e-mail address like test@example•com
.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
iQQcBAEBCAAGBQJVkKy7AAoJELEXnrc0fcENmiIf/1Qgb/XFDmGl5RsZnMWh+kCX
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com> wrote:
> Generally agreed w/ all this.
>
> To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox
> archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail•com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44@gmail•com> wrote:
>> > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails
>> ...
>>
>> ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
>> favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
>> canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
>> <laanwj@gmail•com> wrote:
>> > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary
>> releases
>>
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>>
>> As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
>> archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
>> try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
>> it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
>> code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
>>
>> Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
>> Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
>> efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
>> addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
>>
>> This misfeature needs to be disabled.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail•com>
>> wrote:
>> > archives will be exported
>> > and imported into the new list server
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r@sky-ip•org> wrote:
>> > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
>> > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
>> > provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
>>
>> Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
>> interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
>> authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
>> And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
>> downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
>> project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
>> sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
>> > ...
>>
>> As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
>>
>> a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another
>> example...
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>> b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
>> for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
>> preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
>> (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
>> c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
>> data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
>> of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
>> which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
>> version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
>> users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
>> postprocess them into usable form.
>> Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
>> 418 attachment.html
>> 106 attachment.sig
>> 6 attachment.jpe
>> 4 attachment.png
>> 2 attachment.bin
>> d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
>> in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
>> case is here:
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
>> archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
>> thanks you :)
>>
>> Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder•com>
>> wrote:
>> > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
>>
>> Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
>> the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>
>
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> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
2015-06-27 23:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-06-29 2:27 ` Warren Togami Jr.
@ 2015-07-03 22:07 ` Peter Todd
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Peter Todd @ 2015-07-03 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Garzik; +Cc: bitcoin-dev
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 04:54:00PM -0700, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Generally agreed w/ all this.
>
> To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox
> archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
ACK
I'd support making the raw archives public for archiving as well.
--
'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
000000000000000015665ce75a321e5827cdf9af667eaa75aaeefbc315514da5
[-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --]
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
2015-06-29 2:27 ` Warren Togami Jr.
@ 2015-07-16 4:57 ` grarpamp
2015-07-16 5:08 ` grarpamp
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: grarpamp @ 2015-07-16 4:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-dev
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail•com> wrote:
> Mailman's obscure_addresses option is now disabled. It has been pretty
> useless as a spam mitigation measure anyway.
>
> This is a test message to see if mailman continues to break --clearsign GPG
> signatures for messages that contain an e-mail address like
> test@example•com.
Still broken, in both the web "archives" and the "mbox" archives.
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009252.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
Note also, as outlined with other issues in the OP, the below attachment
will not appear in the "mbox" archives, thus becoming lost to mirrors and
users rightly attempting to use the "mbox" archives as their canonical source
for local seeding or MUA access.
[-- Attachment #2: lost.c --]
[-- Type: text/x-csrc, Size: 224 bytes --]
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
int main () {
printf("Hello World, this valuable bit of example code ends up @lost from the \"mbox\" archives.\n");
/* A strudel was placed in the above string too. */
exit(1);
}
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Mailing List Administrivia - GPG, Archives, Breakage, TODO, mirrors, etc
2015-07-16 4:57 ` grarpamp
@ 2015-07-16 5:08 ` grarpamp
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: grarpamp @ 2015-07-16 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-dev
> will not appear in the "mbox" archives, thus becoming lost to mirrors and
And the attachment link for users of the web "archive" has stripped off the
final blank line that was present in the original attachment. Thus it would
fail any detached signatures authors may choose to make.
SHA1 (lost.c) = 4c6284510d73031eac16ddac53363137f39499e0
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009439.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20150716/63f50962/attachment-0001.bin
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