BIP68 and BIP112 collectively define the CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY semantics, which can be summarized conceptually as a relative CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY. However, CSV does define behavior for the previously undefined nSequence field, which is the only "free-form" field we currently have in the transaction serialization format that can be used for future upgrades - we should justify this new behavior carefully as it limits our options in the future. Adding new fields to the serialization format is very difficult, due to the very broad system-wide impact of the hard-fork required to do so. So we need to make the case for two main things: 1) We have applications that need a relative (instead of absolute CLTV) 2) Additionally to RCLTV, we need to implement this via nSequence To show we need RCLTV BIP112 provides the example "Escrow with Timeout", which is a need that was brought up by GreenAddress, among others; I don't think we have an issue there, though getting more examples would be a good thing. (the CLTV BIP describes seven use cases, and one additional future use-case) However I don't think we've done a good job showing why we need to implement this feature via nSequence. BIP68 describes the new nSequence semantics, and gives the rational for them as being a "Consensus-enforced tx replacement" mechanism, with a bidirectional payment channel as an example of this in action. However, the bidirectional payment channel concept itself can be easily implemented with CLTV alone. There is a small drawback in that the initial transaction could be delayed, reducing the overall time the channel exists, but the protocol already assumes that transactions can be reliably confirmed within a day - significantly less than the proposed 30 days duration of the channel. That example alone I don't think justifies a fairly complex soft-fork that limits future upgrades; we need more justification. So, what else can the community come up with? nSequence itself exists because of a failed feature that turned out to not work as intended; it'd be a shame to make that kind of mistake again, so let's get our semantics and use-cases in the BIPs and documented before we deploy. -- 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org 00000000000000000ea95b4a24d0a510d4b5a98186f904dc16da07c41189d8b8