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From: Bob McElrath <bob_bitcoin@mcelrath•org>
To: Dave Hudson <dave@hashingit•com>
Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hardfork to fix difficulty drop algorithm
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 22:05:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160308220507.GA4388@mcelrath.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5E6E8EFD-2BC0-47F6-8005-5A63821C4276@hashingit.com>

Dave Hudson via bitcoin-dev [bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org] wrote:
> I think the biggest question here would be how would the difficulty
> retargeting be changed?  Without seeing the algorithm proposal it's difficult
> to assess the impact that it would have, but my intuition is that this is
> likely to be problematic.

I have no comment on whether this will be *needed* but there's a simple
algorithm that I haven't seen any coin adopt, that I think needs to be: the
critically damped harmonic oscillator:

    http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CriticallyDampedSimpleHarmonicMotion.html

In dynamical systems one does a derivative expansion.  Here we want to find the
first and second derivatives (in time) of the hashrate.  These can be determined
by a method of finite differences, or fancier algorithms which use a quadratic
or quartic polynomial approximation.  Two derivatives are generally all that is
needed, and the resulting dynamical system is a damped harmonic oscillator.  

A damped harmonic oscillator is basically how your car's shock absorbers work.
The relevant differential equation has two parameters: the oscillation frequency
and damping factor.  The maximum oscillation frequency is the block rate.  Any
oscillation faster than the block rate cannot be measured by block times.  The
damping rate is an exponential decay and for critical damping is twice the
oscillation frequency.

So, this is a zero parameter, optimal damping solution for a varying hashrate.
This is inherently a numeric approximation solution to a differential equation,
so questions of approximations for the hashrate enter, but that's all.  Weak
block proposals will be able to get better approximations to the hashrate.

If solving this problem is deemed desirable, I can put some time into this, or
direct others as to how to go about it.

--
Cheers, Bob McElrath

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."
    -- H. L. Mencken 



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-08 22:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02 14:56 Luke Dashjr
2016-03-02 15:05 ` Pavel Janík
2016-03-02 15:14   ` Luke Dashjr
2016-03-02 15:24     ` Jérémie Dubois-Lacoste
     [not found]     ` <CAE-z3OUR8So2EM_EBeEerW-UPs0KY+whVB=jjFAHkW3xZPF2Hw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-02 15:54       ` Tier Nolan
2016-03-02 15:42 ` Luke Dashjr
2016-03-02 16:27   ` Paul Sztorc
2016-03-02 18:07     ` Tier Nolan
2016-03-02 19:01       ` Eric Voskuil
     [not found]         ` <56D74859.3090609@gmail.com>
2016-03-02 20:44           ` Eric Voskuil
2016-03-02 23:02         ` Peter Todd
2016-03-03  5:11           ` Dave Scotese
2016-03-03 10:14           ` Patrick Shirkey
2016-03-03 20:54           ` Eric Voskuil
2016-03-04 10:27             ` Tier Nolan
2016-03-02 15:48 ` Dave Hudson
2016-03-08 22:05   ` Bob McElrath [this message]
2016-03-09 18:30     ` Dave Hudson
2016-03-09 20:21       ` Bob McElrath
2016-03-09 23:24         ` Dave Hudson
2016-03-09 20:26       ` Paul Sztorc
2016-03-02 16:17 ` Bryan Bishop
2016-03-02 17:14 ` David A. Harding
2016-03-02 17:53   ` Gregory Maxwell
2016-03-02 19:34     ` David A. Harding
2016-03-03  1:06     ` Paul Sztorc
2016-03-09 17:58       ` Paul Sztorc
2016-03-02 18:20 ` Peter Todd
2016-03-03 18:27 ` Corey Haddad
2016-03-04  8:41   ` Henning Kopp
     [not found]     ` <CA+XQW1gfnXxxCod6cL=caGnEc66YOvaF6SJL=omUbMqwLNDP7g@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-09 20:43       ` Paul Sztorc

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