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* [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core build system (automake vs cmake)
@ 2017-10-22 17:11 Kosta Zertsekel
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From: Kosta Zertsekel @ 2017-10-22 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bitcoin-dev

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Hi guys,

I wonder why automake has become the build system for Bitcoin Core?
I mean - why not cmake which is considered better?
Can you please point to the relevant discussion or explanation?

Thanks,
--- Kosta Z.

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• • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core build system (automake vs cmake)
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    @ 2017-10-23 11:52   ` Kosta Zertsekel
      2017-10-24 15:25     ` Thomas Guyot-Sionnest
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    From: Kosta Zertsekel @ 2017-10-23 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: Jeffrey Paul; +Cc: bitcoin-dev
    
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    >> On Oct 22, 2017, at 13:11, Kosta Zertsekel wrote:
    >> I wonder why automake has become the build system for Bitcoin Core?
    >> I mean - why not cmake which is considered better?
    >> Can you please point to the relevant discussion or explanation?
    
    > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Jeffrey Paul <jp@eeqj•com> wrote:
    > Considered by whom? Automake is the standard and I prefer it as it
    requires
    > no additional install on most systems. For that, I consider it better.
    
    Well, here are some quotes about CMake build tools...
    
    JetBrains (2014)
    ================
    Our brief research showed that CMake and ‘make’ were the most popular
    cross-platform tools, having ~30% of users each, while both Autotools
    and qmake had less than 7% of users. So we ended up with CMake and make.
    [https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2014/09/cmake-vs-the-others-round-1/]
    
    KDE Project (2006)
    ==================
    Now the next big change is happening: KDE is leaving the aging "autotool"
    build chain behind. Some developers, not only in KDE, like to nickname
    the autotools as "auto-hell" because of its difficult to comprehend
    architecture. So, KDE 4 will feature a completely different build system:
    CMake.
    [https://lwn.net/Articles/188693/]
    
    Also, there are more advanced build systems:
    ============================================
     - Meson [http://mesonbuild.com]
     - Ninja [https://ninja-build.org/]
    
    All of them (CMake, Meson, Ninja) had a goal to replace automake.
    Was there any discussion about choosing the best build system for
    Bitcoin Core?
    
    Thanks,
    --- Kosta Z.
    
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  • • * Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core build system (automake vs cmake)
        2017-10-23 11:52   ` Kosta Zertsekel
      @ 2017-10-24 15:25     ` Thomas Guyot-Sionnest
        0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
      From: Thomas Guyot-Sionnest @ 2017-10-24 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Kosta Zertsekel, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion, Jeffrey Paul
      
      On 23/10/17 07:52 AM, Kosta Zertsekel via bitcoin-dev wrote:
      > >> On Oct 22, 2017, at 13:11, Kosta Zertsekel wrote:
      > >> I wonder why automake has become the build system for Bitcoin Core?
      > >> I mean - why not cmake which is considered better?
      > >> Can you please point to the relevant discussion or explanation?
      >
      > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Jeffrey Paul <jp@eeqj•com
      > <mailto:jp@eeqj•com>> wrote:
      > > Considered by whom? Automake is the standard and I prefer it as it
      > requires
      > > no additional install on most systems. For that, I consider it better.
      >
      > Well, here are some quotes about CMake build tools...
      >
      > [...]
      >
      > All of them (CMake, Meson, Ninja) had a goal to replace automake.
      > Was there any discussion about choosing the best build system for
      > Bitcoin Core?
      
      What exact problem are you trying to fix for bitcoin-core?
      
      Each build system have their pros and cons, and what you need it the
      right tool for the job. Unless there is a specific problem to solve and
      that cmake can solve it without causing other issues, why would you want
      to change?
      
      Or better yet, convert yourself bitcoin-core to cmake and show the
      developers that it makes build config simpler without scarifying
      features (cross-platform builds, gitian...) then maybe they'll adopt it.
      
      Regards,
      
      -- 
      Thomas
      
      
      
      
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