* [bitcoin-dev] Single signature for all transactions in a block?
@ 2017-12-31 23:39 CANNON
2017-12-31 23:46 ` Bryan Bishop
2017-12-31 23:49 ` Rhavar
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From: CANNON @ 2017-12-31 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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I had a question relating to scaling and privacy enhancements.
I believe that segwit combined with aggregated signatures
and coinjoin can potentially achieve such. The idea is to
use aggregated signatures in conjunction with coinjoin. So
that all inputs of a coinjoin transaction would have a single
signature vastly decreasing size while having privacy at the
same time. If majority of transactions in a block did this I
assume that significant more transactions could be fit into a
block? However the question I have, with the extra blockspace
made possible by segwit, is this extra blockspace limited to only
witness data or can it be used for transaction data such as the
scenario I have described here?
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Cannon
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Single signature for all transactions in a block?
2017-12-31 23:39 [bitcoin-dev] Single signature for all transactions in a block? CANNON
@ 2017-12-31 23:46 ` Bryan Bishop
2017-12-31 23:49 ` Rhavar
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From: Bryan Bishop @ 2017-12-31 23:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: CANNON, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:39 PM, CANNON via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> I had a question relating to scaling and privacy enhancements.
> I believe that segwit combined with aggregated signatures
> and coinjoin can potentially achieve such. The idea is to
> use aggregated signatures in conjunction with coinjoin. So
> that all inputs of a coinjoin transaction would have a single
> signature vastly decreasing size while having privacy at the
> same time. If majority of transactions in a block did this I
> assume that significant more transactions could be fit into a
> block?
Here are some resources to read regarding signature aggregation and
scalability:
https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-core-dev-tech/2017-09-06-signature-aggregation/
https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2017-08-28-deep-dive-bitcoin-core-v0.15/#signature-aggregation
https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures/
https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/03/23/schnorr-signature-aggregation/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1377298.0
https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1/blob/968e2f415a5e764d159ee03e95815ea11460854e/src/modules/schnorr/schnorr.md
https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/dan-boneh/
- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Single signature for all transactions in a block?
2017-12-31 23:39 [bitcoin-dev] Single signature for all transactions in a block? CANNON
2017-12-31 23:46 ` Bryan Bishop
@ 2017-12-31 23:49 ` Rhavar
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From: Rhavar @ 2017-12-31 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: CANNON; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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The key to understanding how it works is to stop thinking in terms of a block size limit, but rather a block weight limit. 1 byte of witness data counts as 1 weight, the rest counts for 4 weight. A block must be less than 4 million weight. There's no separate limits at all, so any saving in the witness space (e.g. through signature aggregation) is useful for both witness/non-witness data.
-Ryan
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> Local Time: December 31, 2017 5:39 PM
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> I had a question relating to scaling and privacy enhancements.
> I believe that segwit combined with aggregated signatures
> and coinjoin can potentially achieve such. The idea is to
> use aggregated signatures in conjunction with coinjoin. So
> that all inputs of a coinjoin transaction would have a single
> signature vastly decreasing size while having privacy at the
> same time. If majority of transactions in a block did this I
> assume that significant more transactions could be fit into a
> block? However the question I have, with the extra blockspace
> made possible by segwit, is this extra blockspace limited to only
> witness data or can it be used for transaction data such as the
> scenario I have described here?
>
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> Cannon
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