From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize•io>
To: bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoind-in-background mode for SPV wallets
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:36:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5345AF53.8070700@monetize.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJna-HiwRcvY1xPg5pkZDyjQhimnNiLM9a16YHOPu+ggod6A5A@mail.gmail.com>
I've advocated for this in the past, and reasonable counter-arguments I
was presented with are: (1) bittorrent is horribly insecure - it would
be easy to DoS the initial block download if that were the goal, and (2)
there's a reasonable pathway to doing this all in-protocol, so there's
no reason to introduce external dependencies.
On 04/09/2014 01:31 PM, slush wrote:
> Another idea: Integrate torrent download of bootstrap.dat into bitcoind.
> Normal user (especially a beginner) won't learn how to download
> bootstrap separately and import it into bitcoind; he simply give up the
> synchronization once he realize it takes too much time. From my
> experience downloading the bootstrap significantly improves catching the
> blockchain, which may attract some more users to run bitcoind.
>
> Not sure about C++, but simple torrent client in python is like 30 lines
> of code (using libtorrent).
>
> Marek
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:12 PM, slush <slush@centrum•cz
> <mailto:slush@centrum•cz>> wrote:
>
> I believe there're plenty bitcoind instances running, but they don't
> have configured port forwarding properly.There's uPNP support in
> bitcoind, but it works only on simple setups.
>
> Maybe there're some not yet considered way how to expose these
> *existing* instances to Internet, to strenghten the network. Maybe
> just self-test indicating the node is not reachable from outside
> (together with short howto like in some torrent clients).
>
> These days IPv6 is slowly deploying to server environments, but
> maybe there's some simple way how to bundle ipv6 tunnelling into
> bitcoind so any instance will become ipv6-reachable automatically?
>
> Maybe there're other ideas how to improve current situation without
> needs of reworking the architecture.
>
> Marek
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com
> <mailto:gmaxwell@gmail•com>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Justus Ranvier
> <justusranvier@gmail•com <mailto:justusranvier@gmail•com>> wrote:
> > Anyone reading the archives of the list will see about triple the
> > number of people independently confirming the resource usage
> problem
> > than they will see denying it, so I'm not particularly worried.
>
> The list has open membership, there is no particular
> qualification or
> background required to post here. Optimal use of an information
> source
> requires critical reading and understanding the limitations of the
> medium. Counting comments is usually not a great way to assess
> technical considerations on an open public forum. Doubly so because
> those comments were not actually talking about the same thing I am
> talking about.
>
> Existing implementations are inefficient in many known ways (and, no
> doubt, some unknown ones). This list is about developing
> protocol and
> implementations including improving their efficiency. When talking
> about incentives the costs you need to consider are the costs of the
> best realistic option. As far as I know there is no doubt from
> anyone
> technically experienced that under the current network rules full
> nodes can be operated with vastly less resources than current
> implementations use, it's just a question of the relatively modest
> implementation improvements.
>
> When you argue that Bitcoin doesn't have the right incentives (and
> thus something??) I retort that the actual resource
> _requirements_ are
> for the protocol very low. I gave specific example numbers to enable
> correction or clarification if I've said something wrong or
> controversial. Pointing out that existing implementations are
> not that
> currently as efficient as the underlying requirements and that some
> large number of users do not like the efficiency of existing
> implementations doesn't tell me anything I disagree with or didn't
> already know. Whats being discussed around here contributes to
> prioritizing improvements over the existing implementations.
>
> I hope this clarifies something.
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-09 20:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-09 15:29 Wladimir
2014-04-09 15:37 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-09 15:41 ` Natanael
2014-04-09 15:54 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-09 16:09 ` Thomas Voegtlin
2014-04-09 19:25 ` Wladimir
2014-04-10 6:04 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-10 11:09 ` Wladimir
2014-04-10 11:29 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-10 11:32 ` Pieter Wuille
2014-04-10 11:43 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-10 11:50 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-10 11:54 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-10 17:30 ` Tier Nolan
2014-04-11 16:54 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-05-04 21:11 ` Tier Nolan
2014-04-09 17:31 ` Wladimir
2014-04-09 15:42 ` Brian Hoffman
2014-04-09 15:57 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-09 16:09 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-09 15:47 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-09 16:27 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-09 17:46 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-09 17:50 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-09 18:00 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-09 18:19 ` Wladimir
2014-04-09 18:35 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-09 18:46 ` Wladimir
2014-04-09 18:50 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-09 18:58 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-09 19:33 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-09 20:12 ` slush
2014-04-09 20:31 ` slush
2014-04-09 20:36 ` Mark Friedenbach [this message]
2014-04-09 21:04 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-09 20:37 ` Wladimir
2014-04-09 20:35 ` Wladimir
2014-04-09 20:50 ` slush
2014-04-09 20:55 ` Laszlo Hanyecz
2014-04-10 6:38 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-10 6:50 ` Wladimir
2014-04-10 7:09 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-10 9:33 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-10 7:10 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-10 9:17 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-10 9:39 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-10 10:40 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-10 10:44 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-10 11:36 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-10 11:45 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-10 11:52 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-10 9:47 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-09 18:04 ` Peter Todd
[not found] ` <CA+s+GJBpvqqu=XEojyekx5su+JfYLwz+zsbo8L0=5t6s-_b33w@mail.gmail.com>
2014-04-09 17:35 ` [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: " Wladimir
2014-04-09 16:03 ` [Bitcoin-development] " Peter Todd
2014-04-09 17:33 ` Alex Mizrahi
2014-04-09 17:38 ` Wladimir
2014-04-09 17:38 ` Peter Todd
2014-04-09 18:35 ` Kevin
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