I've been a staunch supporter of "microbitcoin" and would like to do anything I can to make sure that we jump directly to it if we're going to promote changing the default units. And I'm happy to integrate it into Armory as a default (with appropriate explanations and settings/options). I'm not so convinced about the "bits" name though -- I do like it, but I do also think that word is too overloaded. Though, I think we could get away with it. (Sadly, I still use "microbes" occasionally (as in *microb*itcoin) when I'm talking to coworkers, because it slips off the tongue and is actually a good combination of brevity and self-explanatory -- it just doesn't instill the right visuals...) We started integrating alternative units into Armory. But, of course, there were a few more loose ends than I expected, which will require some work. We want to put it in but not necessarily change the default right away. I'd /prefer/ we get some commitments from some other wallet developers, so we can make a unified push for it. I'm happy to lead that and make it default as long as I'm not the only one in the world doing it. -Alan On 04/20/2014 11:05 AM, Tamas Blummer wrote: > Here is an earlier reference to bits: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04248.html > > > I forgot that Alan Reiner was also supporting a unit equals to bits : > > https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04264.html > > > and here the earlier going back to March 2013 and a poll at that time > pushing for XBT being 1 bit > > https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04256.html > > > Regards, > > Tamas Blummer > http://bitsofproof.com > > On 20.04.2014, at 16:53, Pieter Wuille > wrote: > >> I told him specifically to bring it here (on a pull request for >> Bitcoin Core), as there is no point in making such convention changes >> to just one client. >> >> I wasn't aware of any discussion about the "bits" proposal here before. >> >> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Tamas Blummer > > wrote: >>> People on this list are mostly engineers who have no problem dealing >>> with >>> magnitudes and have rather limited empathy for people who have a problem >>> with them. >>> They also tend to think, that because they invented money 2.0 they >>> would not >>> need to care of finance's or people's current customs. >>> >>> The importance of their decisions in these questions will fade as people >>> already use wallets other than the core. >>> >>> Bring this particular discussion elsewhere, to the wallet developer. >>> >>> BTW the topic was discussed here several times, you have my support >>> and Jeff >>> Garzik's. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tamas Blummer >>> http://bitsofproof.com >>> >>> On 20.04.2014, at 15:15, Rob Golding wrote: >>> >>> The average person is not going to be confident that the prefix they >>> are using is the correct one, >>> >>> >>> The use of any 'prefix' is one of choice and entirely unnecessary, >>> and there >>> are already established 'divisions' in u/mBTC for those that feel >>> they need >>> to use such things. >>> >>> people WILL send 1000x more or less than >>> intended if we go down this road, >>> >>> >>> Exceptionally unlikely - I deal every day with currencies with 0, 2 >>> and 3 >>> dp's in amount ranging from 'under 1 whole unit' to tens of >>> thousands - Not >>> once in 20 years has anyone ever 'sent' more or less than intended - oh, >>> they've 'intended' to underpay just fine, but never *unintended*. >>> >>> I propose that users are offered a preference to denominate the >>> Bitcoin currency in a unit called a bit. 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