From: Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail•com>
To: Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail•com>,
bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] ASIC-proof mining
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:22:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53B68E6B.6090602@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2734024.vxftdBi7Ll@momentum>
On 07/04/2014 07:15 AM, Andy Parkins wrote:
> On Friday 04 July 2014 06:53:47 Alan Reiner wrote:
>
>> ROMix works by taking N sequential hashes and storing the results into a
>> single N*32 byte lookup table. So if N is 1,000,000, you are going to
>> compute 1,000,000 and store the results into 32,000,000 sequential bytes
>> of RAM. Then you are going to do 1,000,000 lookup operations on that
>> table, using the hash of the previous lookup result, to determine the
>> location of next lookup (within that 32,000,000 bytes). Assuming a
>> strong hash function, this means its impossible to know in advance what
>> needs to be available in RAM to lookup, and it's easiest if you simply
>> hold all 32,000,000 bytes in RAM.
> My idea wasn't to make hashing memory hungry; it was to make it IO-hungry. It
> wouldn't be too hard to make an ASIC with 32MB of RAM. Especially if it
> gained you a 1000x advantage over the other miners. It seems that sort of
> solution is exactly the one that Mike Hearn was warning against in his blog.
I think you misundersood.... using ROMix-like algorithm, each hash
requires a different 32 MB of the blockchain. Uniformly distributed
throughout the blockchain, and no way to predict which 32 MB until you
have actually executed it. If the difficulty is high enough, your
miner is likely to end up going through the entire X GB blockchain while
searching for a good hash, but other nodes will only need to do 32 MB
worth of disk accesses to verify your answer (and it will be unknown
which 32 MB until they do the 1,000,000 hash+lookup operations on their
X GB blockchain).
I think that strikes a good compromise of needing access to 100% of the
blockchain, without requiring reading 20 GB to verify a block.
(Replace N=1,000,000, 32 MB and 20 GB with the appropriately calibrated
numbers in the future)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-04 11:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-04 10:27 Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 10:53 ` Alan Reiner
2014-07-04 11:08 ` Eugen Leitl
2014-07-04 11:15 ` Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 11:22 ` Alan Reiner [this message]
2014-07-04 11:28 ` Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 11:37 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-07-04 12:01 ` Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 15:20 ` Mike Hearn
2014-07-04 16:50 ` kjj
2014-07-04 18:39 ` Ron Elliott
2014-07-04 19:54 ` Aaron Voisine
2014-07-04 20:21 ` Jorge Timón
2014-07-04 20:38 ` Luke Dashjr
2014-07-04 20:55 ` Randi Joseph
2014-07-05 8:43 ` Mike Hearn
2014-07-07 0:20 ` Randi Joseph
2014-07-07 6:12 ` Odinn Cyberguerrilla
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