From: kjj <bitcoin-devel@jerviss•org>
To: Andy Parkins <andyparkins@gmail•com>,
Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] ASIC-proof mining
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:50:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53B6DB38.7010709@jerviss.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10566815.3CllqoMfON@momentum>
Just some general comments on this topic/discussion.
I suspect that there exist no algorithms which cannot be done better in
an application-specific device than in a general purpose computer. And
if there is such a thing, then it must necessarily perform best on one
specific platform, making that platform the de facto application
specific device.
I'm not sure how one would go about proving or disproving that, but it
seems very likely to be true.
IO-bound is exactly the same as memory bound, for devices that have
enough memory. 20 GB is already trivial today, and you don't really get
into ask-the-wife-for-permission money until you cross 128 GB. The
exception would be if the IO was to an oracle outside of the device's
control, and artificially limited in throughput. Such a centralized
oracle would be contrary to the goals usually stated by people thinking
about anti-ASIC designs, so there isn't much point.
Keeping the algorithm simple, and ASIC-easy, has one other advantage.
Just about anyone can sit down and design an ASIC for SHA, for example,
leading to diversity in the marketplace. A harder algorithm can still
be made into an ASIC (or more generally into an ASD), but will require
more skilled designers, more expensive fabrication, etc. This actually
concentrates the ASIC advantage into the hands of fewer people, which
again, is contrary to the stated goals.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-04 17:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-04 10:27 Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 10:53 ` Alan Reiner
2014-07-04 11:08 ` Eugen Leitl
2014-07-04 11:15 ` Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 11:22 ` Alan Reiner
2014-07-04 11:28 ` Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 11:37 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-07-04 12:01 ` Andy Parkins
2014-07-04 15:20 ` Mike Hearn
2014-07-04 16:50 ` kjj [this message]
2014-07-04 18:39 ` Ron Elliott
2014-07-04 19:54 ` Aaron Voisine
2014-07-04 20:21 ` Jorge Timón
2014-07-04 20:38 ` Luke Dashjr
2014-07-04 20:55 ` Randi Joseph
2014-07-05 8:43 ` Mike Hearn
2014-07-07 0:20 ` Randi Joseph
2014-07-07 6:12 ` Odinn Cyberguerrilla
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