* [Bitcoin-development] BIP43 Purpose code for voting pool HD wallets
@ 2014-08-19 17:11 Justus Ranvier
2014-09-26 1:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Justus Ranvier @ 2014-08-19 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Dev; +Cc: Muharem Hrnjadovic, Jimmy Song, Chris Odom
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We'd like to reserve two purpose codes for the HD multisig structure
that will be used for the Bitcoin wallets used for voting pools, so
we've documented the structure in the form of two BIPs. One is used
for the wallets suitable for storing bulk bitcoin deposits, the other
is used for storing colored coin deposits.
The primary difference is that bulk deposit wallets use cold storage
and are allowed to incur significant administrative overhead, where as
colored coin wallets do not use cold storage because they must be
capable of being generated on the fly.
Two draft information BIPs are attached.
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Justus Ranvier | Monetas <http://monetas.net/>
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2014-08-19 17:11 [Bitcoin-development] BIP43 Purpose code for voting pool HD wallets Justus Ranvier
@ 2014-09-26 1:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-09-26 2:09 ` Justus Ranvier
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From: Gregory Maxwell @ 2014-09-26 1:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justus Ranvier; +Cc: Muharem Hrnjadovic, Bitcoin Dev, Jimmy Song, Chris Odom
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Justus Ranvier <justus@monetas•net> wrote:
> Two draft information BIPs are attached.
I've pinged some people privately but also pinging the list… no
commentary on this proposal?
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2014-09-26 1:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
@ 2014-09-26 2:09 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-09-26 2:31 ` Alan Reiner
2014-09-26 2:32 ` Bryan Bishop
2 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Justus Ranvier @ 2014-09-26 2:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Dev
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On 09/26/2014 01:53 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Justus Ranvier
> <justus@monetas•net> wrote:
>> Two draft information BIPs are attached.
>
> I've pinged some people privately but also pinging the list… no
> commentary on this proposal?
>
Regarding the BIP process itself, I rather think it's broken in the
case of informational BIPs.
Proposals that require explicit action on the part of others do not
logically belong in the same process as purely information proposals
that do not require any explicit action by others are going to be
carried out regardless.
The only reason we proposed these as BIPs at all was to support the
intent of BIP43.
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Justus Ranvier | Monetas <http://monetas.net/>
<mailto:justus@monetas•net> | Public key ID : C3F7BB2638450DB5
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP43 Purpose code for voting pool HD wallets
2014-09-26 1:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-09-26 2:09 ` Justus Ranvier
@ 2014-09-26 2:31 ` Alan Reiner
2014-09-26 2:32 ` Bryan Bishop
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From: Alan Reiner @ 2014-09-26 2:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bitcoin-development
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I'm in favor of BIP43.
Adding a "Purpose" node can be used as an identifier for what kind of
tree is in the wallet file we're reading. I can envision a few
different, common tree structures. Perhaps using a non-hardened
first-layer derivation (we have clients who want this). Similarly, my
proposal for a "No-collision mode" for multisig BIP32 trees
<http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32860512/> is another
variant that might get some traction but not everyone will use it.
These things could be "supported" by simply changing the BIP43 "Purpose"
index and wallet software could be designed to recognize and react to
the Purpose node for any number of different tree structures, and ignore
any trees that it doesn't recognize (or maybe be able to view the
balance across all the leaves of the tree but not expand it)
We have clients with special use-cases (complex multi-layer trees) that
are unlikely to be recycled across users. In such cases we might just
use a "random" Purpose that is recognized by their system, and know that
other software won't mess with it. Though it would be better if that
field was encoded in the root seed, instead.
Nonetheless, putting that extra layer between the root and the
"important" tree nodes provides flexibility to BIP32 as a whole.
-Alan
On 09/25/2014 09:53 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Justus Ranvier <justus@monetas•net> wrote:
>> Two draft information BIPs are attached.
> I've pinged some people privately but also pinging the list… no
> commentary on this proposal?
>
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* Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP43 Purpose code for voting pool HD wallets
2014-09-26 1:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-09-26 2:09 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-09-26 2:31 ` Alan Reiner
@ 2014-09-26 2:32 ` Bryan Bishop
2 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Bryan Bishop @ 2014-09-26 2:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gregory Maxwell, Bryan Bishop
Cc: Muharem Hrnjadovic, Bitcoin Dev, Justus Ranvier, Jimmy Song, Chris Odom
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com> wrote:
> I've pinged some people privately but also pinging the list… no
> commentary on this proposal?
One possible reason is that non-subscribed users aren't able to access
the file through sourceforge. The attachment through their web
interface is giving back HTTP 500.
see http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/attachment/53F38542.2000704%40monetas.net/1/
- Bryan
http://heybryan.org/
1 512 203 0507
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