From: Andy Schroder <info@AndySchroder•com>
To: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil•org>, Jan Vornberger <jan@uos•de>,
bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin at POS using BIP70, NFC and offline payments - implementer feedback
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:32:05 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54EA66F5.2000302@AndySchroder.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EA60D9.8000001@voskuil.org>
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Andy Schroder
On 02/22/2015 06:06 PM, Eric Voskuil wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 02:37 PM, Andy Schroder wrote:
>> I'd like to see some discussion too about securing the bluetooth
>> connection. Right now it is possible for an eavesdropper to monitor the
>> data transferred.
> Yes, this should be a prerequisite issue to all others.
>
>> I'd personally like to see if wrapping the current
>> connection with SSL works or if we can run https over a bluetooth
>> socket.
> There is no reason to add this significant complexity. The purpose of
> SSL/TLS is to establish privacy over a *public* channel. But to do so
> requires verification by the user of the merchant's public certificate.
> Once we rely on the channel being *private*, the entire SSL process is
> unnecessary.
I guess we need to decide whether we want to consider NFC communication
private or not. I don't know that I think it can be. An eavesdropper can
place a tiny snooping device near and read the communication. If it is
just passive, then the merchant/operator won't realize it's there. So, I
don't know if I like your idea (mentioned in your other reply) of
putting the session key in the URL is a good idea?
>
> Presumably we would not want to require PKI for privacy, since that's a
> bit of a contradiction. But if one wants to do this NFC is not required,
> since the private session can be established over the public (Bluetooth)
> network.
>
>> There was some criticism of this, but I don't think it has been
>> tested to know if it is really a problem or not. If we just run https
>> over bluetooth, then a lot of my concerns about the message header
>> inconsistencies will go away and the connection will also be secure. We
>> don't have to reinvent anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Schroder
>>
>> On 02/22/2015 02:08 PM, Jan Vornberger wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I am working on a Bitcoin point of sale terminal based on a Raspberry
>>> Pi, which
>>> displays QR codes, but also provides payment requests via NFC. It can
>>> optionally
>>> receive the sender's transaction via Bluetooth, so if the sender wallet
>>> supports it, the sender can be completely offline. Only the terminal
>>> needs an
>>> internet connection.
>>>
>>> Typical scenario envisioned: Customer taps their smartphone (or maybe
>>> smartwatch
>>> in the future) on the NFC pad, confirms the transaction on their phone
>>> (or smartwatch) and the transaction completes via Bluetooth and/or the
>>> phone's
>>> internet connection.
>>>
>>> You can see a prototype in action here:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7vKHMoapr8
>>>
>>> The above demo uses a release version of Schildbach's Bitcoin Wallet,
>>> so it
>>> works as shown today. However, some parts - especially the Bluetooth
>>> stuff - are
>>> custom extensions of Schildbach's wallet which are not yet standard.
>>>
>>> I'm writing this post to document my experience implementing NFC and
>>> offline
>>> payments and hope to move the discussion forward around standardizing
>>> some of
>>> this stuff. Andy Schroder's work around his Bitcoin Fluid Dispenser [1,2]
>>> follows along the same lines, so his proposed TBIP74 [3] and TBIP75
>>> [4] are
>>> relevant here as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> ## NFC vs Bluetooth vs NFC+Bluetooth ##
>>>
>>> Before I get into the implementation details, a few words for why I
>>> decided to
>>> go with the combination of NFC and Bluetooth:
>>>
>>> Doing everything via NFC is an interesting option to keep things
>>> simple, but the
>>> issue is, that one usually can't maintain the connection while the
>>> user confirms
>>> the transaction (as they take the device back to press a button or
>>> maybe enter a
>>> PIN). So there are three options:
>>>
>>> 1. Do a "double tap": User taps, takes the device back, confirms, then
>>> taps
>>> again to transmit the transaction. (I think Google Wallet does
>>> something like
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> 2. Confirm beforehand: User confirms, then taps and everything can
>>> happen in one
>>> go. The disadvantage is, that you confirm the transaction before you
>>> have seen
>>> the details. (I believe Google Wallet can also work this way.)
>>>
>>> 3. Tap the phone, then establish a Bluetooth connection which allows
>>> you to do
>>> all necessary communication even if the user takes the device back.
>>>
>>> I feel that option 3 is the nicest UX, so that is what I am focusing
>>> on right
>>> now, but there are pros and cons to all options. One disadvantage of
>>> option 3 in
>>> practice is, that many users - in my experience - have Bluetooth
>>> turned off, so
>>> it can result in additional UI dialogs popping up, asking the user to
>>> turn on
>>> Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> Regarding doing everything via Bluetooth or maybe BLE: I have been
>>> following the
>>> work that Airbitz has done around that, but personally I prefer the NFC
>>> interaction of "I touch what I want to pay" rather than "a payment
>>> request comes
>>> to me through the air and I figure out whether it is meant for me/is
>>> legitimate".
>>>
>>>
>>> ## NFC data formats ##
>>>
>>> A bit of background for those who are not that familiar with NFC: Most
>>> Bitcoin
>>> wallets with NFC support make use of NDEF (NFC Data Exchange Format)
>>> as far as I
>>> am aware (with CoinBlesk being an exception, which uses host-based card
>>> emulation, if I understand it correctly). NDEF defines a number of
>>> record types,
>>> among them 'URI' and 'Mime Type'.
>>>
>>> A common way of using NFC with Bitcoin is to create a URI record that
>>> contains a
>>> Bitcoin URI. Beyond that Schildbach's wallet (and maybe others?) also
>>> support
>>> the mime type record, which is then set to
>>> 'application/bitcoin-paymentrequest'
>>> and the rest of the NFC data is a complete BIP70 payment request.
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Implementation ##
>>>
>>> To structure the discussion a little bit, I have listed a number of
>>> scenarios to
>>> consider below. Not every possible combination is listed, but it
>>> should cover a
>>> bit of everything.
>>>
>>> Scenarios:
>>>
>>> 1) Scan QR code, transmit transaction via Bitcoin network
>>> Example QR code: bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42
>>>
>>> 2) Touch NFC pad, transmit transaction via Bitcoin network
>>> Example NFC URI: bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42
>>>
>>> 3) Scan QR code, fetch BIP70 details via HTTP, post transaction via HTTP
>>> Example QR code:
>>> bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42&r=https://example.org/bip70paymentrequest
>>>
>>> 4) Touch NFC pad, fetch BIP70 details via HTTP, post transaction via HTTP
>>> Example NFC URI:
>>> bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42&r=https://example.org/bip70paymentrequest
>>>
>>> 5) Touch NFC pad, receive BIP70 details directly, post transaction via
>>> HTTP
>>> Example NFC MIME record: application/bitcoin-paymentrequest +
>>> BIP70 payment request
>>>
>>> 6) Scan QR code, fetch BIP70 details via Bluetooth, post transaction
>>> via Bluetooth
>>> Example QR code: bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42&bt=1234567890AB
>>> Payment request has 'payment_url' set to 'bt:1234567890AB'
>>>
>>> 7) Touch NFC pad, fetch BIP70 details via Bluetooth, post transaction
>>> via Bluetooth
>>> Example NFC URI: bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42&bt=1234567890AB
>>> Payment request has 'payment_url' set to 'bt:1234567890AB'
>>>
>>> Scenarios 1 and 2 are basically the 'legacy'/pre-BIP70 approach and I
>>> am just
>>> listing them here for comparison. Scenario 3 is what is often in use
>>> now, for
>>> example when using a checkout screen by BitPay or Coinbase.
>>>
>>> I played around with both scenarios 4 and 5, trying to decide whether
>>> I should
>>> use an NFC URI record or already provide the complete BIP70 payment
>>> request via
>>> NFC.
>>>
>>> My experience here has been, that the latter was fairly fragile in my
>>> setup
>>> (Raspberry Pi, NFC dongle from a company called Sensor ID, using
>>> nfcpy). I tried
>>> with signed payment requests that were around 4k to 5k and the
>>> transfer would
>>> often not complete if I didn't hold the phone perfectly in place. So I
>>> quickly
>>> switched to using the NFC URI record instead and have the phone fetch
>>> the BIP70
>>> payment request via Bluetooth afterwards. Using this approach the
>>> amount of data
>>> is small enough that it's usually 'all or nothing' and that seems more
>>> robust to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> That said, I continue to have problems with the NFC stack that I'm
>>> using, so it
>>> might just be my NFC setup that is causing these problems. I will
>>> probably give
>>> the NXP NFC library a try next (which I believe is also the stack that
>>> is used
>>> by Android). Maybe I have more luck with that approach and could then
>>> switch to
>>> scenario 5.
>>>
>>> Scenarios 6 and 7 is what the terminal is doing right now. The 'bt'
>>> parameter is
>>> the non-standard extension of Andreas' wallet that I was mentioning.
>>> TBIP75
>>> proposes to change 'bt' into 'r1' as part of a more generic approach of
>>> numbering different sources for the BIP70 payment request. I think
>>> that is a
>>> good idea and would express my vote for this proposal. So the QR code
>>> or NFC URI
>>> would then look something like this:
>>>
>>>
>>> bitcoin:1asdf...?amount=42&r=https://example.org/bip70&r1=bt:1234567890AB/resource
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition the payment request would need to list additional
>>> 'payment_url's. My
>>> proposal would be to do something like this:
>>>
>>> message PaymentDetails {
>>> ...
>>> optional string payment_url = 6;
>>> optional bytes merchant_data = 7;
>>> repeated string additional_payment_urls = 8;
>>> // ^-- new; to hold things like 'bt:1234567890AB'
>>> }
>>>
>>> TBIP75 proposes to just change 'optional string payment_url' into
>>> 'repeated
>>> string payment_url'. If this isn't causing any problems (and hopefully
>>> not too
>>> much confusion?) I guess that would be fine too.
>>>
>>> In my opinion a wallet should then actually attempt all or multiple of
>>> the
>>> provided mechanisms in parallel (e.g. try to fetch the BIP70 payment
>>> request via
>>> both HTTP and Bluetooth) and go with whatever completes first. But
>>> that is of
>>> course up to each wallet to decide how to handle.
>>>
>>> TBIP75 furthermore proposes to include an additional 'h' parameter
>>> which would
>>> be a hash of the BIP70 payment request, preventing a MITM attack on the
>>> Bluetooth channel even if the BIP70 payment request isn't signed. This
>>> would
>>> have also been my suggestion, although I know that Mike Hearn has raised
>>> concerns about this approach. One being, that one needs to finalize
>>> the BIP70
>>> payment request at the time the QR code and NFC URI is generated.
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Questions ##
>>>
>>> My questions to the list:
>>>
>>> 1) Do you prefer changing 'optional string payment_url' into 'repeated
>>> string
>>> payment_url' or would you rather introduce a new field
>>> 'additional_payment_urls'?
>>>
>>> 2) @Andreas: Is the r, r1, r2 mechanism already implemented in Bitcoin
>>> Wallet?
>>>
>>> 3) Are there other comments regarding 'h' parameter as per TBIP75?
>>>
>>> 4) General comments, advice, feedback?
>>>
>>> I appreciate your input! :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> [1] http://andyschroder.com/BitcoinFluidDispenser/
>>> [2]
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg06354.html
>>>
>>> [3] https://github.com/AndySchroder/bips/blob/master/tbip-0074.mediawiki
>>> [4] https://github.com/AndySchroder/bips/blob/master/tbip-0075.mediawiki
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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-22 19:08 Jan Vornberger
2015-02-22 22:37 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-22 23:06 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-22 23:32 ` Andy Schroder [this message]
2015-02-23 0:05 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-23 1:02 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-23 7:36 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-23 9:13 ` Natanael
2015-02-23 9:40 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-24 2:55 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-24 5:53 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-24 11:28 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-24 19:49 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-24 22:14 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-24 22:50 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-25 2:09 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-28 9:46 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-23 9:49 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-23 10:08 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-23 10:58 ` Mike Hearn
2015-02-23 11:58 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-23 12:18 ` Mike Hearn
2015-02-23 12:30 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-23 23:00 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-23 23:11 ` Mike Hearn
2015-02-24 0:10 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-24 10:41 ` Mike Hearn
2015-02-26 12:30 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-03-03 0:54 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-23 0:58 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-23 15:09 ` Jan Vornberger
2015-02-23 16:59 ` Mike Hearn
2015-02-23 19:56 ` Jan Vornberger
2015-02-23 20:31 ` Mike Hearn
2015-02-24 6:14 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-24 15:41 ` Jan Vornberger
2015-02-26 12:37 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-22 22:39 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-22 22:48 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-22 23:35 ` Andy Schroder
2015-02-23 0:46 ` Eric Voskuil
2015-02-23 1:05 ` Andreas Schildbach
2015-02-23 1:55 ` Aaron Voisine
2015-02-23 0:48 ` Andreas Schildbach
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2015-02-25 9:20 ` Eric Voskuil
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