Re: [bitcoin-dev] We need to fix the block withholding attack

From: Geir Harald Hansen <operator@bitminter•com>
To: bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] We need to fix the block withholding attack
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 05:10:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <567F64A1.8020202@bitminter.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP3QyGJD3SaM6Bvvw66jAvVFkQhrfJfRQTxbbe8a=O1zK_P6tw@mail.gmail.com>

Last I heard it was believed the miner had made their own mining client
and that the block withholding was a bug, not an intended feature.

On 26.12.2015 09:12, Multipool Admin via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> Any attempt to 'fix' this problem, would most likely require changes to
> all mining software, why not just make mining more decentralized in general?
> 
> For example, allow anyone to submit proofs of work to Bitcoind that are
> some fraction of the network difficulty and receive payment for them if
> they're valid.  This would also encourage the proliferation of full
> nodes since anyone could solo mine again.  Then, the next coinbase
> transaction could be split among, say, the top 100 proofs of work.
> 
> Eligius already does their miner payouts like this.
> 
> If you want to fix an issue with mining, fix the selfish mining issue
> first as it's a much larger and more dangerous potential issue.
> 
> I don't believe it was ever clearly established whether Eligius suffered
> a block withholding attack or was just the victim of a miner with (what
> was, at the time) a large amount of faulty hardware, however, from the
> Bitcointalk threads at the time I believe it was assumed to be the latter.
> 
> --Adam
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> 
>     On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 07:43:59PM -0800, Chris Priest via
>     bitcoin-dev wrote:
>     > Then shouldn't this be something the pool deals with, not the bitcoin protocol?
> 
>     There is no known way for pools - especially ones that allow anonymous
>     hashers - to effectively prevent block withholding attacks without
>     changing the Bitcoin protocol.
> 
>     --
>     'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org <http://petertodd.org>
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