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* [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
@ 2025-03-17  3:38 Weikeng Chen
  2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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From: Weikeng Chen @ 2025-03-17  3:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be 
added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a 
lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, 
CSFS isn't.

With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to 
start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM 
by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential 
on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying 
on CTV + CSFS to develop further.

Thanks,
Weikeng

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• * Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
    2025-03-17  3:38 [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Weikeng Chen
  @ 2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
    2025-03-17 14:43 ` /dev /fd0
    2025-03-17 22:52 ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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  From: 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List @ 2025-03-17 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Weikeng Chen; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List
  
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  I wouldn't go as far as saying it received "a lot" of support, but it did receive some and i agree it would be nice to have both opcodes being discussed on Signet.
  
  The PR adding it to inquisition last year as part of LNHANCE was abandoned and closed a few months ago. Greg Sanders recently opened a WIP pull request to add CSFS on its own: https://github.com/bitcoin-inquisition/bitcoin/pull/72.
  
  > This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
  
  Looking forward to see some of that.
  On Sunday, March 16th, 2025 at 11:38 PM, Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com> wrote:
  
  > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS isn't.
  >
  > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Weikeng
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• * Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
    2025-03-17  3:38 [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Weikeng Chen
    2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
  @ 2025-03-17 14:43 ` /dev /fd0
    2025-03-17 22:52 ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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  From: /dev /fd0 @ 2025-03-17 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Weikeng Chen; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List
  
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  Hi Weikeng,
  
  I agree that it has a lot of support among bitcoin developers. No
  objections for CSFS on [wiki][0]with evaluations from more than 50 bitcoin
  developers.
  
  Co-author of APO, Christian Decker has also expressed his support for it on
  [twitter][1]. Even Greg Maxwell considers it [useful][2].
  
  [0]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
  [1]: https://x.com/Snyke/status/1895880013796556818
  [2]: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/bitcoin-wizards/2019-11-28
  
  /dev/fd0
  floppy disk guy
  
  On Mon, Mar 17, 2025, 7:03 PM Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com>
  wrote:
  
  > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be
  > added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a
  > lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years,
  > CSFS isn't.
  >
  > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to
  > start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM
  > by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential
  > on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying
  > on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Weikeng
  >
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• * Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
    2025-03-17  3:38 [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet? Weikeng Chen
    2025-03-17 14:11 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
    2025-03-17 14:43 ` /dev /fd0
  @ 2025-03-17 22:52 ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
    2025-03-18  6:55   ` Weikeng Chen
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  From: 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List @ 2025-03-17 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Weikeng Chen; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List
  
  Hi Weikeng,
  
  CSFS is on signet. All the LNhance opcodes are on mutinynet.
  https://github.com/lnhance/mutinynet-bitcoin/tree/mutinynet-cat-ln-hance
  https://faucet.mutinynet.com/
  
  [signet]
  signetchallenge=512102f7561d208dd9ae99bf497273e16f389bdbd6c4742ddb8e6b216e64fa2928ad8f51ae
  addnode=45.79.52.207:38333
  dnsseed=0
  signetblocktime=30
  
  BR,
  moonsettler
  
  
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  On Monday, March 17th, 2025 at 4:38 AM, Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com> wrote:
  
  > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS isn't.
  > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
  > 
  > Thanks,
  > Weikeng
  > 
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• • * Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
      2025-03-17 22:52 ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
    @ 2025-03-18  6:55   ` Weikeng Chen
      2025-03-18 16:40     ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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    From: Weikeng Chen @ 2025-03-18  6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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    Moonsettler, 
    
    I can see that LNHANCE has already had a live "mutinynet" working as a 
    functional network for testing.
    Do you think it is still necessary to add it to the "signet" signet or just 
    wait until more progress with CTV + CSFS on the bitcoin/bitcoin repository 
    as PRs and then to testnet?
    
    Thanks,
    Weikeng
    
    On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 7:12:09 AM UTC+8 moonsettler wrote:
    
    > Hi Weikeng,
    >
    > CSFS is on signet. All the LNhance opcodes are on mutinynet.
    > https://github.com/lnhance/mutinynet-bitcoin/tree/mutinynet-cat-ln-hance
    > https://faucet.mutinynet.com/
    >
    > [signet]
    >
    > signetchallenge=512102f7561d208dd9ae99bf497273e16f389bdbd6c4742ddb8e6b216e64fa2928ad8f51ae
    > addnode=45.79.52.207:38333
    > dnsseed=0
    > signetblocktime=30
    >
    > BR,
    > moonsettler
    >
    >
    > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
    >
    > On Monday, March 17th, 2025 at 4:38 AM, Weikeng Chen <
    > weiken...@l2iterative•com> wrote:
    >
    > > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be 
    > added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a 
    > lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, 
    > CSFS isn't.
    > > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to 
    > start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM 
    > by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential 
    > on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying 
    > on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
    > > 
    > > Thanks,
    > > Weikeng
    > > 
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  • • * Re: [bitcoindev] Time to add CSFS to Signet?
        2025-03-18  6:55   ` Weikeng Chen
      @ 2025-03-18 16:40     ` 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
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      From: 'moonsettler' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List @ 2025-03-18 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Weikeng Chen; +Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List
      
      Hi Weikeng,
      
      I'm obviously not opposed to the idea, just not sure what makes one signet more significant than an other?
      The important thing is, there is a signet up and running for protocol devs to test things out on and for people to use as playground.
      
      Now activating LNhance on a testnet would be more fun.
      
      BR,
      moonsettler
      
      
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      On Tuesday, March 18th, 2025 at 7:55 AM, Weikeng Chen <weikeng.chen@l2iterative•com> wrote:
      
      > Moonsettler,
      > I can see that LNHANCE has already had a live "mutinynet" working as a functional network for testing.
      > Do you think it is still necessary to add it to the "signet" signet or just wait until more progress with CTV + CSFS on the bitcoin/bitcoin repository as PRs and then to testnet?
      > 
      > Thanks,
      > Weikeng
      > On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 7:12:09 AM UTC+8 moonsettler wrote:
      > 
      > > Hi Weikeng,
      > > 
      > > CSFS is on signet. All the LNhance opcodes are on mutinynet.
      > > https://github.com/lnhance/mutinynet-bitcoin/tree/mutinynet-cat-ln-hance
      > > https://faucet.mutinynet.com/
      > > 
      > > [signet]
      > > signetchallenge=512102f7561d208dd9ae99bf497273e16f389bdbd6c4742ddb8e6b216e64fa2928ad8f51ae
      > > addnode=45.79.52.207:38333
      > > dnsseed=0
      > > signetblocktime=30
      > > 
      > > BR,
      > > moonsettler
      > > 
      > > 
      > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
      > > 
      > > On Monday, March 17th, 2025 at 4:38 AM, Weikeng Chen <weiken...@l2iterative•com> wrote:
      > > 
      > > > I am writing just to solicit people's opinions on whether CSFS should be added to signet given that CTV + CSFS combination has recently received a lot of support. Although CTV has already been on signet for a few years, CSFS isn't.
      > > > With CTV and CSFS being on the signet also allows part of the LNHANCE to start experimenting, and it has been discussed that CSFS helps with BitVM by replacing Winternitz signatures completely with a much lower potential on-chain data availability overhead. This also allows applications relying on CTV + CSFS to develop further.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks,
      > > > Weikeng
      > > >
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