Do not find excuses (and vague statements or technical bulls) and learn, you don't know what you are talking about and don't get the global picture, we don't care about the Tor network and they don't care about others neither do they care that they increase their network, so indeed let's stop this discussion


Just replying here (for the last time) because expecting more clever thoughts about what I wrote, maybe one day... but for sure something like this will happen in the future


Le 09/11/2019 à 21:21, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH a écrit :
We do not need to discuss this back and forward publickly. I am not concerned whether Tors seems or is much centralised or not, it is not the concern of m statements, and it required directory nodes of which there are several and we could discuss the operation of its nodes and infrastructure all day, even comparing directory nodes to seed nodes. The fact is that browsing is the most common publicly understood usage of Tor but like with and without Tor the internet provides many services.

It seems you have misunderstood the reason I reference making so many Tor nodes also but do not concern I will no reiterate. Also, whether Tor can provide for the bandwidth and connectivity required for Bitcoin you have not tested and provide only your opinion, where it seems that actually it can. The matter is that Tor carries Bitcoin traffic quite easily now and in fact as there is more Bitcoin traffic likely the Tor capacity increases in some proportion.

Also, socks proxy is not a door in, it is a door out, do you realise but just works at a different network layer to HTTP proxy which works at layer 7 of the OSI model and Socks a bit lower?

I have had some communication difficulty before where the native language is not English and although the communication happens in native English the though is still being formed in another language and so the presentation of the thought is not clear to the English presentation. Even if not this I do not consider wrong just that we write to consider not the same thing.

Good day.

Regards,
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH


From: Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2019 6:33 AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org>
Cc: security@bitcoincore.org <security@bitcoincore.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] CVE-2017-18350 disclosure
 

???


Well, you obviously don't know what you are talking about and did not even consider reading correctly what I wrote, neither to read node-Tor


What you are saying here is quite trivial, typical of people thinking that the Tor network will solve everything and is not centralized (but you seem unsure about it), that's not the case, it's completely wrong and the "normal" use of the Tor network is for browsing only, basically the Tor network is still the same since years: 1000 guards, 1000 relays, 1000 exits (so not "hundreds", happier, and there are of course intersections between them, knowing that they are the supposed working nodes as tested by node-Tor), quite small at the end with finally many misbehaving nodes among the 3000 set, not at all able or willing to handle bitcoin nodes load


Using bitcoin with the Tor network is absurd, using socks proxy with bitcoin is absurd too (I don't get the comparison with a http proxy, nothing to do),  except if limited to a local use, ie you socks proxy inside your device, for example to pipe to node-Tor, but this remains as a whole dangerous if the local proxy has been hacked, as we could see recently with malware Tor sw being used by people


Using the Tor protocol for bitcoin is not absurd at all (do you understand the difference?) + browsers, webRTC, etc I will not repeat what I wrote


Please do some readings or consider at least what I sent, or ask questions if what I am saying is unclear for you


But from my standpoint the discussion on this list is not about explaining all of this that is probably well known by everybody but what can/could be next to anonymize/help anonymizing bitcoin

 when required and make it a real p2p network


Unfortunately I am afraid that we get moderated here because that's not the place to give basic lessons about Tor that you don't know


Le 09/11/2019 à 12:42, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH a écrit :
Socks proxies have their use in controlled gateway infrastructure and is a relevant feature for any software required to operate behind a secure network boundary and allows for UDP connectivity (whether it is utilised in any particular application) which a HTTP proxy does not.

You are obviously not well abreast of the Tor project, regardless of whether it seems centralised, whether it is or it isn't, the Tor project is to allow anonymity and connection privacy. For this it works very well and there seem to be hundreds of known Tor nodes, to be known they are not isolated and are connected.

Even if an exit node performs all logging it is only aware of the node one hop up but the originator is higher still. In the case where we perform a Tor cluster and make hundreds of guard, middle and exit nodes we still cannot with absolute certainty say that the connecting node is the originator and, the eventual Bitcoin node is still unaware of the originator IP which is the primary objective. Otherwise, can you hide your IP from your ISP would be a better goal?

You may prefer to familiarise yourself first with the history of Tor, even a brief from [WikipediaTor_(anonymity_network)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)) and consider some of the possible uses, and consider how its implementation benefits the privacy and anonymity of Bitcoin in public where it is allowed in many countries; Tor is just as useful in countries where Bitcoin is allowed to hide from third-parties. You may also enjoy an example of activating Bitcoin Cores Tor implementation: [How can I setup Bitcoin to be anonymous with Tor?](https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/70069/how-can-i-setup-bitcoin-to-be-anonymous-with-tor/70070#70070)



There should be no rational consideration that gives rise to reducing Tor connectivity, possibly v3 integration will be coming along.

Regards,
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH


From: Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2019 6:40 AM
To: LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH <willtech@live.com.au>; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; Luke Dashjr <luke@dashjr.org>
Cc: security@bitcoincore.org <security@bitcoincore.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] CVE-2017-18350 disclosure
 

Sure, but what is questionable here is the use of SOCKS proxy, for Tor I think as the main purpose, making it dangerous for the "whole bitcoin world" while it's something like of zero interest/use (or please let me know what it is beside Tor)

The Tor network is very centralized and not designed at all to handle p2p networks (which bitcoin is still not), it is designed to be used via the Tor Browser to browse the web and to hide web servers, not bitcoin nodes, and there are a lot of misbehaving/dangerous nodes there, there is no encryption in bitcoin protocol, an exit node can fake whatever it likes, this seems to be a use case as far as I can see, but even if the initiator is configured to connect to a hidden bitcoin node, I don't see the point

I have advertised recentlty the open sourcing of node-Tor (https://github.com/Ayms/node-Tor) here

This one is designed for p2p, not over the Tor network but using the Tor protocol, as simple as bitcoin.pipe(node-Tor), or <any protocol>.pipe(node-Tor), which is the finality of the project as far as I see it since years (maybe see http://www.peersm.com/Convergence.pdf even if I would modify some parts now)

Inside servers or browsers acting as servers also (WebRTC or WebSockets), bitcoin peers (servers/browsers) relaying the bitcoin anonymized protocol using the Tor protocol (and not the Tor network) between each others, there is no story of exit nodes here and rdv points would not apply for bitcoin use, this "just" adds the internal missing encryption and anonymity layer to the bitcoin protocol

Personally I would remove the socks proxy interface from bitcoin core, independently of Tor this can be misused too and offers absolutely zero security


Le 08/11/2019 à 18:03, LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
It goes without saying in that all privately known CVE should be handled so professionally but, that is, well done team.

Regards,
LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH


CVE-2017-18350 is a buffer overflow vulnerability which allows a malicious
SOCKS proxy server to overwrite the program stack on systems with a signed
`char` type (including common 32-bit and 64-bit x86 PCs).

The vulnerability was introduced in 60a87bce873ce1f76a80b7b8546e83a0cd4e07a5
(SOCKS5 support) and first released in Bitcoin Core v0.7.0rc1 in 2012 Aug 27.
A fix was hidden in d90a00eabed0f3f1acea4834ad489484d0012372 ("Improve and
document SOCKS code") released in v0.15.1, 2017 Nov 6.

To be vulnerable, the node must be configured to use such a malicious proxy in
the first place. Note that using *any* proxy over an insecure network (such
as the Internet) is potentially a vulnerability since the connection could be
intercepted for such a purpose.

Upon a connection request from the node, the malicious proxy would respond
with an acknowledgement of a different target domain name than the one
requested. Normally this acknowledgement is entirely ignored, but if the
length uses the high bit (ie, a length 128-255 inclusive), it will be
interpreted by vulnerable versions as a negative number instead. When the
negative number is passed to the recv() system call to read the domain name,
it is converted back to an unsigned/positive number, but at a much wider size
(typically 32-bit), resulting in an effectively infinite read into and beyond
the 256-byte dummy stack buffer.

To fix this vulnerability, the dummy buffer was changed to an explicitly
unsigned data type, avoiding the conversion to/from a negative number.

Credit goes to practicalswift (https://twitter.com/practicalswift) for
discovering and providing the initial fix for the vulnerability, and Wladimir
J. van der Laan for a disguised version of the fix as well as general cleanup
to the at-risk code.

Timeline:
- 2012-04-01: Vulnerability introduced in PR #1141.
- 2012-05-08: Vulnerability merged to master git repository.
- 2012-08-27: Vulnerability published in v0.7.0rc1.
- 2012-09-17: Vulnerability released in v0.7.0.
...
- 2017-09-21: practicalswift discloses vulnerability to security team.
- 2017-09-23: Wladimir opens PR #11397 to quietly fix vulernability.
- 2017-09-27: Fix merged to master git repository.
- 2017-10-18: Fix merged to 0.15 git repository.
- 2017-11-04: Fix published in v0.15.1rc1.
- 2017-11-09: Fix released in v0.15.1.
...
- 2019-06-22: Vulnerability existence disclosed to bitcoin-dev ML.
- 2019-11-08: Vulnerability details disclosure to bitcoin-dev ML.
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