Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors

From: Matt Corallo <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 19:01:34 -0400

I'm a bit confused, several people have suggested that Roasbeef clearly doesn't have the time 
commitment to be added as a BIP editor, and I previously noted that of the list of people, only 
Kanzure and Murch have been around for a long period of time and demonstrated depth in the kind of 
Bitcoin technical nomenclature and copy-editing required for this role, largely via Kanzure's long 
history of Bitcoin technical transcriptions and Murch's work on stack exchange and the nomenclature 
BIP at https://github.com/murchandamus/bips/pull/1/files.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is an objection to the rest of the list.

Matt

On 4/20/24 3:14 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List wrote:
> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform
> everyone of what will happen on Monday.
> 
> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there
> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email.
> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
> April 22nd.
> 
> Ava
> 
> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
> wrote:
>> While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at
>> once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the
>> nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual
>> objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objections
>> to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share
>> their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed
>> by many others.
>>
>> Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current
>> counts are:
>> * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
>> * Murch - 13 for
>> * Jonatack - 13 for
>> * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
>> * Roasbeef - 9 for
>> * Michael Folkson - none
>>
>> However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and
>> require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process
>> be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by
>> achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of
>> these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who
>> have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list
>> seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone really
>> wants to deal with.
>>
>> I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted
>> on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached out
>> to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and
>> Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public
>> confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not
>> received a response from Roasbeef.
>>
>> Ava
>>
>> On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
>>>    > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
>>> majority.
>>>
>>> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having
>>> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which people
>>> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up
>>> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not
>>> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up
>>> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from
>>> their expectations.
>>>
>>> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and
>>> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we need
>>> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking off).
>>>
>>> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.
>>> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track
>>> record in the space
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30 PM nvk <[email-masked]
>>> <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for
>>> Kanzure
>>> RubenSomsen
>>> Seccour
>>> Jon Atack
>>> Roasbeef
>>>
>>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
>>> majority.
>>>
>>> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
>>>
>>> I'd like to return to that.
>>>
>>> - NVK (temp gmail account)
>>>
>>>       On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54 PM UTC-4 David A. Harding wrote:
>>>
>>>           On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>>>            > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I
>>>           like Bob!".
>>>
>>>           Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears
>>>           to be
>>>           the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
>>>           candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>>>
>>>           - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
>>>           Stewart[3],
>>>           Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
>>>           Black[11],
>>>           Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>>>           Carvalho[16]
>>>
>>>           - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
>>>           Michael
>>>           Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>>>           Carvalho[16]
>>>
>>>           - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
>>>           /dev/fd0[5][7],
>>>           Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
>>>           Carvalho[16]
>>>
>>>           - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
>>>           Stewart[3], John
>>>           C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
>>>           Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>>>
>>>           - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
>>>           McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
>>>           Riard[12],
>>>           Ava Chow[14]
>>>
>>>           - Michael Folkson*
>>>
>>>           Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
>>>           "non-dev
>>>           triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and
>>>           Antoine
>>>           Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>>>
>>>           I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
>>>           candidates had been especially active there, which is listed
>>>           below as:
>>>           total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>>>
>>>           - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>>>           - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>>>           - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>>>           - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>>>           - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>>>           - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>>>
>>>           I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to
>>>           have a
>>>           merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
>>>           far-along
>>>           draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
>>>           Payments). I
>>>           don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>>>           demonstrates
>>>           familiarity with the process.
>>>
>>>           Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
>>>           multiple recommendations from other community participants are
>>>           fully
>>>           qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
>>>           justification
>>>           for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
>>>           longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
>>>           mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a
>>>           draft
>>>           BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of
>>>           all 300
>>>           pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
>>>           reviewed
>>>           drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>>>           significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
>>>           documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd
>>>           ask him
>>>           to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already
>>>           doing,
>>>           so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>>>
>>>           -Dave
>>>
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