Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors

From: NVK <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 08:32:26 -0500

I understand the skepticism with more people. I was also skeptical about having larger committees, but after doing working on the open stats board which is 9 people and it being extremely efficient and practical I've changed my outlook on the numbers.

What do you do gain is more people to be available to review applications. Which is often the bottleneck. I doubt there would be much contention on the opinions of the group.

Just my two 2 cents.

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> On Apr 16, 2024, at 08:16, Tim Ruffing <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I fully agree with Sergi and Matt here. 
> 
> (Sorry, this is just a +1 message, but I really don't have anything
> meaningful to add to their arguments.)
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On Mon, 2024-04-15 at 13:50 -0400, Matt Corallo wrote:
>> Strongly agree with Sergi here,
>> 
>> I'd suggest 2-3 BIP editors who are actually responsible for things
>> is more useful than 5 BIP
>> editors where no one is responsible for anything.
>> 
>> Again, I'm not convinced dumping this on more people is useful, folks
>> like Roasbeef are great but
>> clearly don't have time to keep up with yet more things, and not sure
>> why folks are on the list here
>> who haven't been active on the Bitcoin-dev ML and in BIPs for many
>> years (eg no idea who Seccour is).
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>>> On 4/11/24 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
>>>  > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task,
>>> so personal preferences are easily
>>> ignored and overwritten by the group majority.
>>> 
>>> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here.
>>> Having too many editors may result in
>>> a tragedy of the commons, in which people just commit to the job
>>> because many others do, and they do
>>> not end up doing as much because they expect others to do the it.
>>> This does not only make the
>>> process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up doing the
>>> job, given their time commitment
>>> ends up being too far from their expectations.
>>> 
>>> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better,
>>> and gives us leeway in case the
>>> workload ends up being excessive and we need to add more people
>>> (plus discourage people from joining
>>> and slacking off).
>>> 
>>> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. I'd
>>> personally vouch for Murch,
>>> Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track record in the space
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30 PM nvk
>>> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 for
>>> Kanzure
>>> RubenSomsen
>>> Seccour
>>> Jon Atack
>>> Roasbeef
>>> 
>>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
>>> personal preferences are
>>> easily ignored and overwritten by the group majority.
>>> 
>>> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to return to that.
>>> 
>>> - NVK (temp gmail account)
>>> 
>>>     On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54 PM UTC-4 David A. Harding
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>         On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>>>          > Please provide justification rather than simply saying
>>> "I like Bob!".
>>> 
>>>         Using only comments from the mailing list, the following
>>> appears to be
>>>         the candidate list along with the current support.
>>> Asterisks denote
>>>         candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the
>>> role.
>>> 
>>>         - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
>>> Stewart[3],
>>>         Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10],
>>> Brandon
>>>         Black[11],
>>>         Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>>> Carvalho[16]
>>> 
>>>         - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
>>> Stewart[3], Michael
>>>         Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine
>>> Poinsot[15], John
>>>         Carvalho[16]
>>> 
>>>         - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris
>>> Stewart[3],
>>>         /dev/fd0[5][7],
>>>         Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
>>> Carvalho[16]
>>> 
>>>         - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
>>> Stewart[3], John
>>>         C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8],
>>> Antoine
>>>         Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>>> 
>>>         - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6],
>>> Keagan
>>>         McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
>>> Riard[12],
>>>         Ava Chow[14]
>>> 
>>>         - Michael Folkson*
>>> 
>>>         Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
>>> "non-dev
>>>         triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor",
>>> and Antoine
>>>         Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>>> 
>>>         I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the
>>> above
>>>         candidates had been especially active there, which is
>>> listed below as:
>>>         total PRs they commented on (number still open/number
>>> closed).
>>> 
>>>         - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>>>         - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>>>         - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>>>         - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>>>         - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>>>         - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>>> 
>>>         I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set
>>> to have a
>>>         merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there
>>> are far-along
>>>         draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
>>> Payments). I
>>>         don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>>> demonstrates
>>>         familiarity with the process.
>>> 
>>>         Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates
>>> above with
>>>         multiple recommendations from other community participants
>>> are fully
>>>         qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
>>> justification
>>>         for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not
>>> only a
>>>         longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as
>>> Corallo
>>>         mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology
>>> through a draft
>>>         BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review
>>> of all 300
>>>         pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
>>> reviewed
>>>         drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>>>         significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility
>>> of the
>>>         documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work
>>> we'd ask him
>>>         to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's
>>> already doing,
>>>         so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>>> 
>>>         -Dave
>>> 
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