From: ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail•com>
To: Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com>,
Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] CoinPool, exploring generic payment pools for Fun and Privacy
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 08:39:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7cWQJzkWNEZCI2fYYrJCFxrmGfDGFAtsOyGpXRmB-g4Qhm2jzhyxLtuOIpJAr2CMJjAjri12lmR-h96ev3NWqaTgDtc_NN0yhyVxuIlBuzU=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALZpt+FqAWCAqCLF2HsajL84sOvst_X9_34bb_tvUxLFw=HTAA@mail.gmail.com>
Good morning Antoine and Gleb,
I have not studied the proposal in close detail yet, but anyway, my main takeaway roughly is:
* The core of CoinPool is some kind of multiparticipant (N > 2) offchain update mechanism (Decker-Wattenhofer or Decker-Russell-Osuntokun).
* The output at each state of the update mechanism is some kind of splitting construction (which I have not studied in detail).
* At each update of the state, all participants must sign off on the new state.
It seems to me that it would be possible to use a [WabiSabi protocol](https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2020-June/017969.html) during negotiation of a new state.
Now, WabiSabi is a client-server protocol.
As all participants in the CoinPool are needed in order to ratify each new state anyway, they can simply elect one of their number by drawing lots, to act as server for a particular state update.
Then the participants can operate as WabiSabi clients.
Each participant registers the outputs they currently own in the current state, getting credentials that sum up to the correct value.
Then, during the WabiSabi run, they can exchange credentials among the participants in order to perform value transfers inside the WabiSabi construction.
Then, at output registration, they register new outputs to put in the next state of the CoinPool.
In order to hide transfers from the elected WabiSabi server, participants can maintain two coins in every state, and move coins randomly across the two coins they own at each state update, in order to hide "real" transfers from the elected server.
Then, after output registration, the participants ratify the new state by signing off on the new state and revoking the previous state, using the update mechanism.
Of course, we should note that one desired feature for CoinPool in the original proposal is that a participant can exit, and the CoinPool would still remain valid, but only for the remaining participants.
This is arguably a mild privacy leak: every other participant now knows how much that particular participant took out from the CoinPool.
Indeed, from what I can understand, in order to properly set up the splitting transactions in the first place, at each state every participant needs to know how much each other participant actually owns in the CoinPool at that point in time.
To hide how much each participant owns in the CoinPool from other participants, we would have to make unilateral closes expose all the current outputs, without trying to identify *which* participant exited the CoinPool, and thus preventing anyone else from figuring out exactly how much each *other* participant actually owns in the CoinPool on exit.
That way, output addresses can be to fresh pseudonyms of the participant, removing all linkages of participant to amount they own, and each participant can maintain multiple outputs per state for their own purposes and to mildly obscure exactly how much they own in total.
If we drop that feature (of being able to exit a participant without closing the *entire* CoinPool), of course, we need to mildly disincentivize a participant closing unilaterally for trivial reasons.
We can do this by using `SIGHASH_ANYPREVOUT` to force whoever performs a unilateral close of the CoinPool to pay the onchain fees involved, so that it would have to be a good reason indeed to perform a unilateral close.
Regards,
ZmnSCPxj
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-12 8:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-11 8:53 Antoine Riard
2020-06-11 17:21 ` Jeremy
2020-06-12 23:45 ` Antoine Riard
2020-06-12 8:39 ` ZmnSCPxj [this message]
2020-06-13 0:28 ` Antoine Riard
2020-06-13 0:45 ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-06-13 1:20 ` ZmnSCPxj
2020-06-16 5:23 ` ZmnSCPxj
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