Re: [bitcoin-dev] Debate: 64 bytes in OP_RETURN VS taproot OP_FALSE OP_IF OP_PUSH

From: Aymeric Vitte <aymeric@peersm•com>
To: Claus Ehrenberg <aubergemediale@gmail•com>,
	Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Debate: 64 bytes in OP_RETURN VS taproot OP_FALSE OP_IF OP_PUSH
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 11:56:19 +0100	[thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <CANPykMq2xCKTVPkQGoRu9iYMdARQKZQq-b5mv3X-7FHKv1FGww@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi Claus,

Thanks but I am not sure to understand the solution, how the transaction
will look like and will it be standard ?

Regards

Aymeric

Le 16/02/2023 à 20:59, Claus Ehrenberg a écrit :
> I propose to require all data to be in the op_return output PLUS add a
> required op_return_hash field, which is checked by consensus. So that
> node can re-validate the chain without having to store/download/look
> at the contents of op_return data. The benefit of that little
> redundancy is that "content-sensitive" communities can ignore the date
> they don't like.
>
> Cheers
> Claus
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:30 PM Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
>     It's super unclear how long it could take for such a change to be
>     adopted
>
>     Then the answer is simple, see:
>     https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3beed1bfeba7#workaround-to-the-80b-op_return-limitation
>
>     Outstandingly, very, mega, bad, but working, bringing bitcoin back
>     10 years ago
>
>     But why not? If bitcoin folks don't get that we need a 1tx storage
>     solution for the future, then let's bring back bitcoin into the
>     past and destroy coins
>
>     Le 12/02/2023 à 17:23, Aymeric Vitte a écrit :
>>
>>     https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27043#issuecomment-1427069403
>>
>>     "What is the process to have someone do the PR for this? Or I do
>>     it and most likely it will be a very shxtty one since I am not a
>>     C/C++ expert, then wasting the time of everybody
>>
>>     It's urgently required, I did consider OP_RETURN as a dart in the
>>     past but changed my mind, it's adapted to the current evolutions,
>>     not flooding bitcoin with 2 txs while only 1 is needed
>>
>>     If not the best 1 tx solution is super simple: store in
>>     addresses, and super bad at the end because burning bitcoins,
>>     while still not expensive if you don't need to store big things"
>>
>>
>>     Le 05/02/2023 à 19:12, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Sat., Feb. 4, 2023, 21:01 Peter Todd, <pete@petertodd•org
>>>     <mailto:pete@petertodd•org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor
>>>         via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>>>         <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>>         >Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in the
>>>         script pubkey,
>>>         >there is a crossover point in data size where it will
>>>         simply be cheaper to
>>>         >use witness data.  Where that crossover point is depends on
>>>         the finer
>>>         >details of the overhead of the two methods, but you could
>>>         make some
>>>         >reasonable assumptions.  Such a calculation could form the
>>>         basis of a
>>>         >reasonable OP_RETURN proposal.  I don't know if it would be
>>>         persuasive, but
>>>         >it would at least be coherent.
>>>
>>>         I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying to
>>>         carefully argue a specific limit. Let users decide for
>>>         themselves how they want to use OpReturn.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Even better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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