“Bitcoin protocol has always expected clients to ignore unknown messages” This is not true. Bitcoin has long implemented version negotiation, which is the opposite expectation. Libbitcoin’s p2p protocol implementation immediately drops a peer that sends an invalid message according to the negotiated version. The fact that a given client does not validate the protocol does not make it an expectation that the protocol not be validated. Features can clearly be optional within an actual protocol. There have been post-handshake negotiations implemented for optional messages which are valid at the negotiated version. The protocol may be flexible while remaining validateable. There is no reason to force a client to accept unknown message traffic. A generalized versioning change can be implemented in or after the handshake. The latter is already done on an ad-hoc basis. The former is possible as long as the peer’s version is sufficient to be aware of the behavior. This does not imply any need to send invalid messages. The verack itself can simply be extended with a matrix of feature support. There is no reason to complicate negotiation with an additional message(s). FWIW, bip37 did this poorly, adding a feature field to the version message, resulting in bip60. Due to this design, older protocol-validating clients were broken. In this case it was message length that was presumed to not be validated. e > On Aug 18, 2020, at 07:59, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > This sounds like a great idea! > > Bitcoin is no longer a homogeneous network of one client - it is many, with different features implemented in each. The Bitcoin protocol hasn't (fully) evolved to capture that reality. Initially the Bitcoin protocol had a simple numerical version field, but that is wholly impractical for any diverse network - some clients may not wish to implement every possible new relay mechanic, and why should they have to in order to use other new features? > > Bitcoin protocol changes have, many times in recent history, been made via new dummy "negotiation" messages, which take advantage of the fact that the Bitcoin protocol has always expected clients to ignore unknown messages. Given that pattern, it makes sense to have an explicit negotiation phase - after version and before verack, just send the list of features that you support to negotiate what the connection will be capable of. The exact way we do that doesn't matter much, and sending it as a stream of messages which each indicate support for a given protocol feature perfectly captures the pattern that has been used in several recent network upgrades, keeping consistency. > > Matt > >> On 8/14/20 3:28 PM, Suhas Daftuar via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> Hi, >> Back in February I posted a proposal for WTXID-based transaction relay[1] (now known as BIP 339), which included a proposal for feature negotiation to take place prior to the VERACK message being received by each side. In my email to this list, I had asked for feedback as to whether that proposal was problematic, and didn't receive any responses. >> Since then, the implementation of BIP 339 has been merged into Bitcoin Core, though it has not yet been released. >> In thinking about the mechanism used there, I thought it would be helpful to codify in a BIP the idea that Bitcoin network clients should ignore unknown messages received before a VERACK. A draft of my proposal is available here[2]. >> I presume that software upgrading past protocol version 70016 was already planning to either implement BIP 339, or ignore the wtxidrelay message proposed in BIP 339 (if not, then this would create network split concerns in the future -- so I hope that someone would speak up if this were a problem). When we propose future protocol upgrades that would benefit from feature negotiation at the time of connection, I think it would be nice to be able to use the same method as proposed in BIP 339, without even needing to bump the protocol version. So having an understanding that this is the standard of how other network clients operate would be helpful. >> If, on the other hand, this is problematic for some reason, I look forward to hearing that as well, so that we can be careful about how we deploy future p2p changes to avoid disruption. >> Thanks, >> Suhas Daftuar >> [1] https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2020-February/017648.html >> [2] https://github.com/sdaftuar/bips/blob/2020-08-generalized-feature-negotiation/bip-p2p-feature-negotiation.mediawiki >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev