From: Jean-Paul Kogelman <jeanpaulkogelman@me•com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Why are we bleeding nodes?
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 00:24:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AC42883D-9D3A-49D3-9ADA-7D24AB833352@me.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJHLa0MOB2=1JNfXCb-DY24ssTi7hVFi6H7JDaeVp5oOUUMy=A@mail.gmail.com>
Isn't that just conceding that p2p protocol A is better than p2p protocol B?
Can't Bitcoin Core's block fetching be improved to get similar performance as a torrent + import?
Currently it's hard to go wide on data fetching because headers first is still pretty 'beefy'. The headers can be compressed, which would get you about 50% savings.
Also, maybe adding a layer that groups block headers into a single hash (say, 2016 headers), and then being able to fetch those (possibly compressed) header 'blocks' from multiple sources in parallel. And fanning out block fetches even further, favoring fast nodes.
Just thinking out loud.
jp
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay•com> wrote:
>
> Being Mr. Torrent, I've held open the "80% serious" suggestion to
> simply refuse to serve blocks older than X (3 months?).
>
> That forces download by other means (presumably torrent).
>
> I do not feel it is productive for any nodes on the network to waste
> time/bandwidth/etc. serving static, ancient data. There remain, of
> course, issues of older nodes and "getting the word out" that prevents
> this switch from being flipped on tomorrow.
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Tamas Blummer <tamas@bitsofproof•com> wrote:
>>> BTW, did we already agree on the service bits for an archive node?
>>
>> I'm still very concerned that a binary archive bit will cause extreme
>> load hot-spotting and the kind of binary "Use lots of resources YES or
>> NO" I think we're currently suffering some from, but at that point
>> enshrined in the protocol.
>>
>> It would be much better to extend the addr messages so that nodes can
>> indicate a range or two of blocks that they're serving, so that all
>> nodes can contribute fractionally according to their means. E.g. if
>> you want to offer up 8 GB of distributed storage and contribute to the
>> availability of the blockchain, without having to swollow the whole
>> 20, 30, 40 ... gigabyte pill.
>>
>> Already we need that kind of distributed storage for the most recent
>> blocks to prevent extreme bandwidth load on archives, so extending it
>> to arbitrary ranges is only more complicated because there is
>> currently no room to signal it.
>>
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-07 11:34 Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 12:17 ` Ricardo Filipe
2014-04-07 13:43 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-04-07 14:05 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 14:15 ` Eric Martindale
2014-04-07 14:23 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 19:46 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-04-08 3:13 ` kjj
2014-04-08 7:50 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-09 10:38 ` Wendell
2014-04-09 11:15 ` Wladimir
2014-04-07 14:45 ` Tom Harding
2014-04-07 12:19 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-04-07 12:26 ` Pieter Wuille
2014-04-07 12:34 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 12:34 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-05-20 18:38 ` Isidor Zeuner
2014-04-07 13:50 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 13:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 13:58 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-04-07 14:04 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-08 11:28 ` Jesus Cea
2014-04-07 15:45 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-07 15:53 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 16:02 ` Jameson Lopp
2014-04-07 16:27 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 16:57 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 17:01 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 17:16 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 17:35 ` Brent Shambaugh
2014-04-07 17:40 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 17:44 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 17:45 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 17:50 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-07 18:30 ` Arne Brutschy
2014-04-07 17:56 ` Brent Shambaugh
2014-04-07 17:46 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-04-07 17:39 ` Chris Williams
2014-04-07 18:23 ` Mike Hearn
2014-04-07 18:35 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 18:49 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 19:00 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 18:48 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 19:02 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 19:05 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 19:03 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-07 19:13 ` Tier Nolan
2014-04-07 19:20 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 19:13 ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-04-07 19:36 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 21:46 ` Ricardo Filipe
2014-04-07 19:30 ` Paul Lyon
2014-04-07 19:50 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-07 21:48 ` Tier Nolan
2014-04-07 21:56 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-04-08 3:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-04-08 7:24 ` Jean-Paul Kogelman [this message]
2014-04-08 7:59 ` Tamas Blummer
2014-04-08 17:18 ` Andrew LeCody
2014-04-07 17:07 ` Drak
2014-05-20 8:15 ` bitcoingrant
2014-05-20 8:42 ` Mike Hearn
2014-05-20 14:37 ` Eugen Leitl
2014-05-20 14:52 ` Gmail
2014-05-20 18:46 ` Andy Alness
2014-05-20 19:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-05-20 20:09 ` Andy Alness
2014-05-20 20:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-04-07 21:55 Paul Lyon
2014-04-07 22:14 ` Tier Nolan
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