Thanks Andreas, that's actually a pretty good use-case I didn't think of. Perhaps you could make the rule: "To spend from an unconfirmed BIP125 output, the transaction feerate needs to be higher than its unconfirmed parent's effective feerate." It doesn't totally solve the problem, but I think in practice would do a good job (most of the problematic descendants tends to be low feerate sweeps). It would also preserve the ability for receivers to use CPFP if they wish. -Ryan > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: No chaining off replaceable transactions > Local Time: July 4, 2017 6:50 AM > UTC Time: July 4, 2017 11:50 AM > From: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Your BIP would take away the only way the *receiver* has to raise the > fee: CPFP. And the receiver is arguably the more important party in this > question. After all the sender has no real incentive for his payment to > be confirmed; it"s receiver who has. > On 07/02/2017 10:35 PM, Rhavar via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> ==Abstract== >> >> BIP125 allows transactions to opt into replaceability with a primary use >> case >> of allowing users to increase the fees of unconfirming transactions, >> helping create >> a more efficient fee market place. >> >> However this goal is hindered when the receiver of a transaction spends >> from the >> unconfirmed output, which exposes the sender to the awkward position of >> needing >> to pick between needing to pay an effectively unbounded amount of money >> as per the BIP125 rules, or not fee bump at all. >> >> This is especially problematic in the case of batched sends in which >> there are >> multiple independent receivers. In practice this means wallets and >> services can not effectively low ball the fee of transactions, with the >> intention of fee bumping due to the risk of the receiver spending or >> sweeping it before it confirms. >> >> In order to support a healthy fee marketplace, this proposal aims to >> increase >> the utility of bip125 by making transactions that spend an unconfirmed >> BIP125 >> output non-standard. >> >> >> ==Summary== >> >> This policy specifies a max chain depth of 1 for any BIP125 transactions. >> >> ==Impact== >> >> Receivers of BIP125 transactions will need to wait until the transaction >> has confirmed before spending from it. This will not be significantly >> different >> than it is currently as they receivers need to be monitoring for >> replacements. >> >> If senders want to make further transactions before the BIP125 >> transaction confirms, >> and need to utilize the change of the transaction: they will need to >> replace the >> transaction with a one that makes the other send in "pass through" style >> or first >> finalize the BIP125 transaction and then chain from the spend normally. >> >> >> -Ryan >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev