From: Jeremy Spilman <jeremy.spilman@gmail•com>
To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cold Signing Payment Requests
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:12:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+CODZFpS2DWaC0KRghymOXKQdNhhxAty_5eW0XZJ8Sg5s1bGQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANEZrP0FS5CZaqEEwCZM-nfPB9D2TfC_moX3BE+TEnfWtc=aOg@mail.gmail.com>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2809 bytes --]
There are definitely ways to keep the pay-to address secure even if the web
server is compromised, just perhaps not perfectly clean standard X.509 ways
under the current ecosystem which would be easier for everyone to agree on.
- If a more trusted cert is an EV end cert, and a less trusted is a DV end
cert (not chained off the EV) then it's easy for the wallet to distinguish
between the two, and they are both valid certs. EV signs pubKey offline, DV
used hot on the web server.
- If the more trusted cert is an EV or DV end cert, and the less trusted
cert is chained off that end cert, it's technically 'invalid' so again its
obvious which one is more/less trusted, but it's easier for an attacker to
get their own DV end cert for your domain.
- The third way is getting the pubKey into the cert attributes, such as
encoding the pubKey, or a fingerprint of the pubKey, as a Subject Alternate
Name, so the attacker would need to get their own cert to change the
address, meaning it's not as critical if your cert key is stolen.
On the wallet side, it comes down to additional validation code paths which
get triggered by some detection logic. For example, if you pass PubKey and
InvoiceID in the Payment Request, the wallet needs to know if it should
check for a Subject Alternate Name in the cert for a fingerprint of the
PubKey, how the fingerprint is calculated, and then verify the Address is
indeed PubKey * InvoiceID. I think falsely rejecting a legacy Payment
Request would get the extra validation code path commented out pretty
quickly.
I really like Mike Hearn's idea of 'You have paid this recipient 4 times'
but also agree completely on the crying wolf due to expiration or
revocation. At least such a message could be based on the domain name only,
to try to prevent phishing with similar domain names, then there's no
expiration issue. Slightly more restrictive would be domain + CA, again not
considering expiration, but pinning the pay count to the CA seems to have
little downside and makes it harder for an attacker to get their own cert
for your domain if you choose your CA 'wisely'.
I assume the ship has sailed on v1, but if we can get consensus on how we
want this to work in the near-term, we can start prototyping it and maybe
get this available sooner than later. In any case we should be confirm v1
doesn't do anything to prevent this from working in a clean, extensible
manor, which I think means prototyping it and seeing the new Payment
Request is handled transparently by v1 code.
Right now I'm leaning towards writing a prototype using a single cert with
a fingerprint of PubKey in the Subject Alternate Name, and getting PubKey
and InvoiceID in the Payment Request. Gavin, would the best way to work on
this be to just fork your code on Github?
Thanks,
--Jeremy
[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3163 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-25 19:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <mailman.38128.1366844895.4905.bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
2013-04-25 9:58 ` Timo Hanke
2013-04-25 10:05 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-25 10:28 ` Timo Hanke
2013-04-25 10:45 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-25 10:52 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-25 11:55 ` Timo Hanke
[not found] ` <FDF215AE-F9A4-4EE3-BDC9-0A4EF027423A@swipeclock.com>
2013-04-25 14:31 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-25 19:12 ` Jeremy Spilman [this message]
2013-04-26 1:07 ` Gavin Andresen
2013-04-28 18:03 ` Timo Hanke
2013-04-29 18:40 ` Jeremy Spilman
2013-04-30 9:17 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-30 11:32 ` Jouke Hofman
2013-04-30 13:14 ` Gavin Andresen
2013-04-30 17:17 ` Jeremy Spilman
2013-05-06 21:29 ` Peter Todd
2013-04-24 23:01 Jeremy Spilman
2013-04-24 23:07 ` Alan Reiner
2013-04-25 9:08 ` Mike Hearn
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=CA+CODZFpS2DWaC0KRghymOXKQdNhhxAty_5eW0XZJ8Sg5s1bGQ@mail.gmail.com \
--to=jeremy.spilman@gmail$(echo .)com \
--cc=bitcoin-development@lists$(echo .)sourceforge.net \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox