Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-transactions

From: hth lipsch <lipsch.hth@gmail•com>
To: Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@gmail•com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-transactions
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:38:09 +0200	[thread overview]
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private-key WEF WIF online/offline transaction services, without a fee are
not in the interest of mainstream bitcoin users.(gaius germanicus)
Bitcoin has grown into a Christmas tree fancy dress in the last 9 years
where efficiency and simplicity should be mandatory and hardcoded.

on the other hand, a safe and secure tool would be a welcome step in the
right direction

lipsch hth

Op wo 1 aug. 2018 11:59 schreef Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>:

> You are right, that's what I have been saying for online services that ask
> for private keys, and even the seeds
>
> The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for example to
> get "free" coins, typically they try to use bitcoin-transactions, don't
> succeed and go put their seeds in an online service
>
> At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and the tool
> will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions, and if they want
> to put directly their keys, then...
>
> "Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don't get trapped by your
> wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig, segwit, bech32,
> etc"
>
> As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should some
> people support/finance the effort
>
> Le 01/08/2018 à 07:45, Marcel Jamin a écrit :
>
> IMHO you should almost never publish a service that asks users for private
> keys.
>
> A warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised.
>
> "Move your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your server is
> involved.
>
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I know this list is not to advertise personal projects but
>> https://peersm.com/wallet might be of some interest, this is the web
>> interface for https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions since
>> apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it
>>
>> As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online tool that
>> converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output something
>> understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the only one
>> that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only one that
>> decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that allows to
>> create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not implemented for
>> now but will be soon)
>>
>> Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some incentive to do
>> so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for now
>>
>> Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid bech32
>> addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32 confusion
>> seems to be the topic of the moment
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Aymeric
>>
>> --
>> Bitcoin transactions made simple:
>> https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
>> Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
>> Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
>> Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
>> Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
>> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist:
>> http://torrent-live.org
>> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
>> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
>> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
>> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
>>
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> --
> Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
> Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
> Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
> Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
> Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org
> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
>
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