From: Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph•org>
To: Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach•de>,
Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Removal of reject network messages from Bitcoin Core (BIP61)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 00:52:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAS2fgR5D_jo6eZp5Z09TzBg8ux8wP24=km_0O-XhLsJQPtVxw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <q5rm39$87ck$1@blaine.gmane.org>
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:46 PM Andreas Schildbach via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> First and foremost, reject messages are an indication that the
> transaction isn't going to confirm. Without these messages, we'd need to
> revert to pre-BIP61 behaviour of using a timeout for reception of
> network confirmations.
That is already required because even in the presence of perfectly
honest and cooperative hosts reject messages at most can only tell you
about first-hop behaviour. It won't even tell you if the transaction
was ever even attempted to be sent to a next hop. So alternative
handling must be provided and must be reliable for the software to
work at all regardless of reject messages.
> - Not enough fee
Rejection on low fee (over the static minimum feerate) only happens at
the point where the nodes mempool is full, which is already at a point
where you might be waiting weeks for confirmation.
Rejection causes were also not stable or reliable because the validity
criteria cannot generally be tested independently. For example, if a
transaction is queued due to missing a parent it isn't rejected
because missing the parent is often a temporary issue, but its feerate
cannot be measured without the parent. Later, when the parent is
obtained, the transaction can then be rejected due to feerate-- but no
reject is sent then.
Output already spend is often completely indistinguishable from a
missing parent and can't get rejects generated for it generally.
Similarly, the error state detected for things like invalid signatures
are often not very useful. The software knows that script execution
returned false, but in the general case _why_ it returned false is not
clear, and a straightforward high performance validation
implementation doesn't necessarily yield a good way of figuring out
and propagating up that information. (I think invalid signatures end
up returning a stack-nonempty state from validation currently, as an
example of that).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-08 0:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-06 0:53 Marco Falke
2019-03-06 4:00 ` Dustin Dettmer
2019-03-06 16:49 ` Andreas Schildbach
2019-03-07 13:59 ` Sjors Provoost
2019-03-07 17:58 ` Andreas Schildbach
2019-03-08 0:52 ` Gregory Maxwell [this message]
2019-03-12 17:08 ` Andreas Schildbach
2019-03-12 22:14 ` Gregory Maxwell
2019-03-13 14:29 ` Andreas Schildbach
2019-03-13 14:41 ` Oscar Guindzberg
2019-03-13 22:30 ` Dustin Dettmer
2019-03-14 9:46 ` Aymeric Vitte
2019-03-07 20:52 ` Aymeric Vitte
2019-03-08 0:09 ` Wilmer Paulino
2019-03-08 0:30 ` Eric Voskuil
2019-10-16 16:43 ` John Newbery
2019-10-17 19:38 ` Andreas Schildbach
2019-10-17 20:16 ` Eric Voskuil
2019-10-18 22:45 ` David A. Harding
2019-10-20 5:13 ` Eric Voskuil
2019-10-18 20:53 ` John Newbery
2019-10-21 8:44 ` Andreas Schildbach
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