From: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail•com>
To: John Dillon <john.dillon892@googlemail•com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists•sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Service bits for pruned nodes
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:36:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAS2fgRR3K_dVMhOSHpga91tFaK7G99ouKLFpXHbgxEsvY+_Wg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPaL=UUhrb+4CANVB6refCOeQwcf_A80Way_C_oJbDKM9kmWXg@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, John Dillon
<john.dillon892@googlemail•com> wrote:
> Have we considered just leaving that problem to a different protocol such as
> BitTorrent? Offering up a few GB of storage capacity is a nice idea but it
> means we would soon have to add structure to the network to allow nodes to find
> each other to actually get that data. BitTorrent already has that issue thought
> through carefully with it's DHT support.
I think this is not a great idea on a couple levels—
Least importantly, our own experience with tracker-less torrents on
the bootstrap files that they don't work very well in practice— and
thats without someone trying to DOS attack it.
More importantly, I think it's very important that the process of
offering up more storage not take any more steps. The software could
have user overridable defaults based on free disk space to make
contributing painless. This isn't possible if it takes extra software,
requires opening additional ports.. etc. Also means that someone
would have to be constantly creating new torrents, there would be
issues with people only seeding the old ones, etc.
It's also the case that bittorrent is blocked on many networks and is
confused with illicit copying. We would have the same problems with
that that we had with IRC being confused with botnets.
We already have to worry about nodes finding each other just for basic
operation. The only addition this requires is being able to advertise
what parts of the chain they have.
> What are the logistics of either integrating a DHT capable BitTorrent client,
> or just calling out to some library? We could still use the Bitcoin network to
> bootstrap the BitTorrent DHT.
Using Bitcoin to bootstrap the Bittorrent DHT would probably make it
more reliable, but then again it might cause commercial services that
are in the business of poisoning the bittorrent DHT to target the
Bitcoin network.
Integration also brings up the question of network exposed attack surface.
Seems like it would be more work than just adding the ability to add
ranges to address messages. I think we already want to revise the
address message format in order to have signed flags and to support
I2P peers.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-29 3:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-28 15:51 Pieter Wuille
2013-04-28 16:29 ` Mike Hearn
2013-04-28 16:44 ` Pieter Wuille
2013-04-28 16:57 ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-03 12:30 ` Pieter Wuille
2013-05-03 14:06 ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-03 14:18 ` Peter Todd
2013-05-03 15:02 ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-03 15:11 ` Peter Todd
2013-05-04 18:07 ` John Dillon
2013-05-04 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-05 13:12 ` John Dillon
2013-05-06 8:19 ` Mike Hearn
2013-05-06 13:13 ` Pieter Wuille
2013-04-28 19:50 ` Gregory Maxwell
2013-04-29 2:57 ` John Dillon
2013-04-29 3:36 ` Gregory Maxwell [this message]
2013-04-29 3:42 ` Robert Backhaus
2013-04-29 3:48 ` John Dillon
2013-04-29 3:55 ` Peter Todd
2013-04-29 6:10 ` Jay F
[not found] ` <CAFBxzACw=G7UgG853zQrM-Z1-B4VqSQR5YUJQ5n1=wnv7EyWsw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-04-30 16:14 ` [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: " Rebroad (sourceforge)
2013-04-30 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-04-30 19:27 ` Andy Parkins
2013-04-30 19:31 ` Simon Barber
2013-04-30 20:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-01 14:05 ` Andy Parkins
2013-05-01 14:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-01 14:34 ` Andy Parkins
2013-04-30 20:06 ` [Bitcoin-development] " Brenton Camac
2013-05-01 13:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-16 11:26 Ricardo Filipe
2013-05-16 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2013-05-16 16:23 ` Ricardo Filipe
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